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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    sb1070 is unfair because only hispanics will be affected by it. The law will not be applied to african-americans or caucasians equally.
    and you know this how? This is such bs. Question, do you dispute the fact that the majority of illegals in AZ are coming from mexico? What part of the law don't you understand about having a reasonalbe suspection the person is illegal, of course this is only done after a legal stop. I say enact the law, then if it is abused hold the LE accountable.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    and you know this how? This is such bs. Question, do you dispute the fact that the majority of illegals in AZ are coming from mexico? What part of the law don't you understand about having a reasonalbe suspection the person is illegal, of course this is only done after a legal stop. I say enact the law, then if it is abused hold the LE accountable.
    How do I know it will be applied only to hispanics? Common Sense. I dont dispute that many illegals in Arizona come from mexico, but that has nothing to do with me. Most serial killers in the USA are white. How about the next time there is a serial killer in Arizona, we make every white person give a DNA sample. Not the same thing?
    Of course not, because its not happening to you. There are all kinds of legal stops. Technically I could get pulled over for going 4 miles over the speed limit. The white guy will get a ticket, I will get a ticket AND have to have my immigration status verified.

    Why not deal with this through Congress. A well crafted immigration bill can be as effective as a 50 foot fence. However, when an immigration bill is introduced in congress, the republicans always say no.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    How do I know it will be applied only to hispanics? Common Sense. I dont dispute that many illegals in Arizona come from mexico, but that has nothing to do with me. Most serial killers in the USA are white. How about the next time there is a serial killer in Arizona, we make every white person give a DNA sample. Not the same thing?
    Of course not, because its not happening to you. There are all kinds of legal stops. Technically I could get pulled over for going 4 miles over the speed limit. The white guy will get a ticket, I will get a ticket AND have to have my immigration status verified.
    I agree Congress should deal with it. They have not for years and years. So if they fail to act, that leaves the States to act. IMO, the judge ruling was wrong. Federal laws requires legal immigrants to carry papers that prove they are in the country legally. To much politcial correctness for me. Maybe if States like Az keep in heat on, Congress will actually do something.

    You continue to spin the pro illegal points. If your license is valid, end of story. I also reject your political hack about republicans always say no. It shows your political bias.

    So with your solutions, the States takes it in the shorts till Congress passes something that works. Besides the Dems have the majority. Don't see anything coming from them.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    I fully understand this emotionally charged issue, and WHY it is so emotionally charged. I lived in Arizona for several years. I saw the issues..Hell, I live in Pennsylvania, and I see illegals working here as well. I will say, however, not a single one of them is working a job that anyone but my 15 year old son would consider doing. That being said, I have to say something else. My husband and I both served in the Air Force for several years. During that time, I served with many americans of Hispanic descent. One of them, in particular, lives in Arizona now. He is not first generation..he is not even second generation. He is a third generation American Hispanic who has served his country, and now lives in Arizona. Now...Say this friend of mine is walking down the street, and is asked to show his documentaion? Were I him, and this were to happen, I would be absolutely and utterly offended and upset about it just on principle. Now, lets go further, and say he is out without his wallet. Now, they are going to haul him into the police station and make him sit around for several hours while thye dig him out of the database. Not only is it an incredible waste of the officers' time. It is an incredible waste of HIS time, and while I am not a fan of litigiousness, it is also a case for a sweet little lawsuit.

    How about, instead of knee jerk legislation, we sit down and do something that will actually work, and not put undue burden on our police, undue burden on the many legal hispanics in this country, and even more undue burden on our taxpayers?
    Because deny it as many try to, this IS a kneejerk piece of legislation. Its a "we're not gonna take it anymore" type of law, that will, in the long run (and even the short run apparently) be way more complex, confusing, and troublesome than not having the law in the first place. I am a firm believer that instead of arguing incessantly, people should make a decision and give it a go to see what happens. But there also needs to be SOME real thought made on it beforehand. And I don't see that thought put into this law.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Yeah, the courts don't play politics.

    Just like Mexico has the best interests of the United States at heart.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    what does it matter, the law will be declared unconstitutional.
    So, you're saying that becuase the courts are corrupt and are going nullify the law anyway, that it doesn't matter if its later.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, the courts don't play politics.

    Just like Mexico has the best interests of the United States at heart.
    Well Mexico does have the best interests of the U.S. at heart... the best interest to sell more illegal drugs.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    Blah blah blah. Save it for the dogwhistle crowd. I see it for what it is, just another reason to hassle brown people. Being white, I hear the underlying message, just like the bigots. I simply reject it because it's morally bankrupt. I couldn't care less who does or doesn't agree with me.
    Hmmmm....schizophrenia could explain your ability to hear hidden messages that don't exist.

    However, READING the bill reveals no racism, no bigotry, no nothing except the desire to provide Arizona law enforcement the tools to allow the state to comply with existing federal law.

    Are you saying that a state law that does nothing but mirror a federal law is racist when the federal law is not?

    Do you understand the meaning of the word "illegal"?

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well Mexico does have the best interests of the U.S. at heart... the best interest to sell more illegal drugs.
    No.

    MEXICO's interes in the United States is deeper than that.

    Mexico wants to steal back the land it sold in the 1840's, and as much more as their invading hordes can latch onto.

    That's the only reason one nation deliberately exports a huge percentage of it's population into another. Imperialism.

    And this nation is so infested with fools and idiots and flat-out traitors willing to say any lie needed to sustain the process that we're having difficulty passing common sense laws to slow the invasion or even enforcing the laws that already exist.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Pro-illegals regularly deliberately spew lies about opposition by calling them racists or xenophobic or anti-immigrant. Pro-illegals dishonestly lumps illegals in with legal immigrants by calling illegals just "immigrants" or "undocumented immigrants" and refers to anti-illegal immigration laws as "anti-immigration" laws. Pro-illegals use terms such as "undocumented immigrations", "migrants", "migrants", "laborers", or "Undocumented Americans" to hide the illegality of illegal immigration. Do you think these pro-illegals believe what they say when they accuse the opposition of bigotry,racism or xenophobia? I do not believe for a second they honestly believe the lies they spew, its nothing more than a tactic to accuse to the opposition of illegal immigration as bigots, racists or xenophobes since that is all they have to resort to. They know they can't win a debate on illegal immigration using the truth.
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