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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you are accusing your fellow pro-illegals of either lying or being dumb asses ?
    Another one of your inventions, I'm not pro-illegal, however I am very much an American and support the Constitution. You might lookup the Fourth Amemdment if you get chance.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    So, according to you everyone is required to carry their social security card on their person and must have a drivers license?
    If you're going to get caught commit a crime. Umm... yeah.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

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    Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration lawMembers should refrain from hurling insults and labeling others. Those who support SB1070 are not automatically "bigots" or "racists." Those who oppose it are not automatically "pro Illegal aliens."

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    Demographics of Unauthorized Immigrants (U.S. Department of Homeland Security)

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    So, according to you everyone is required to carry their social security card on their person and must have a drivers license?
    If you are driving you should at least have you driver's license.

    I didn't say that, it's your invention that I said it. The police are human just like everyone else.
    Then why bring up "driving while black" if you are not accusing police of being racist?
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Another one of your inventions, I'm not pro-illegal,
    Then what is your stand on illegal immigration and laws that crack down on illegal immigration? You continue to spew lies against SB1070 so that is one indication you are a pro-illegal. What do you call illegals? Is it "undocumented aliens", "undocumented immigrants","undocumented Americans","migrant workers","immigrants" or "day laborers?"? Or do you actually use the correct term which is illegals or illegal aliens when describing illegals?

    You might lookup the Fourth Amemdment if you get chance.
    Again it does not violate the constitution for the police to check your legal status, to see if you have any warrants, vehicle registration or driver's license when they pull you over for some traffic offense.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am white and in a very small minority in this country, and an even smaller minority in that I am a citizen. As a citizen here, I am not required to have my ID card one me (though before my citizenship status was confirmed, I was required to). I have never had a problem with that here, however, though people are often surprised when I tell them I an a citizen of this country...

    What is wrong with immigrants who are legal resident aliens being required to retain their papers? Nothing at all. It is already the law in the U.S. and most other countries around the world.
    Well the times I have been stopped? The first question is always can I see your I.D. I guess it is only an issues if you are not a legal citizen and that is the way itshould be. Everybody should have ID on em. Not just for legal matters but for safety issues.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well the times I have been stopped? The first question is always can I see your I.D. I guess it is only an issues if you are not a legal citizen and that is the way itshould be. Everybody should have ID on em. Not just for legal matters but for safety issues.
    If you are driving a car, of course you must have your driver's license with you. I don't know the numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority (or at least a large plurality) of law enforcement officer - citizen contacts are in that context.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    I don't think the main thing is the 4th amendment or anything like that, like some people think. To me, the main thing the court will have to answer is if states can enforce federal admin. law. States can obviously enforce criminal law, like smuggling illegals, but can they enforce fed. civil law? That is the important distinction.

    Having said that, most of what is in the Arizona law is very obviously constitutional. It will be interesting to see what the court says about a few of its provisions though.
    Last edited by drz-400; 08-03-10 at 02:48 PM.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I don't think the main thing is the 4th amendment or anything like that, like some people think. To me, the main thing the court will have to answer is if states can enforce federal admin. law. States can obviously enforce criminal law, like smuggling illegals, but can they enforce fed. civil law? That is the important distinction.

    Having said that, most of what is in the Arizona law is very obviously constitutional. It will be interesting to see what the court says about a few of its provisions though.
    After looking more into it, there is already a federal law that allows states to cooperate with ICE to enforce illegal immigration. So, the small section about verifying immigration status given proboble cause being constitutional or not is pretty useless.

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