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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by rudygetsplenty View Post
    They don't now, that the part of the law requiring legal immigrants to carry papers has been shot down. Unless, of course, you think they might be worried about their family being deported. But don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that illegal immigration should be tolerated, although I think there is a separate argument there, I'm not trying to have it here. I'm simply saying that to pretend this is about any race of illegal immigrants is just that, pretending. There's more illegal Mexicans in Arizona than there are illegal anything in the whole country. While if anything this suggests the need for a law such as sb1070, let's not pretend it's coincidence.
    Federal law already requires it. Law in nearly every country in the world required legal aliens to keep their paperwork on their person at all times.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    I really am starting to wonder about the world that I am living in: it is a normal thing to have I.D. and if you are in this country? What is sooooooo frigging off putting about having to have something to show it? Give me a break.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by rudygetsplenty View Post
    The myth is not their existence, the myth is that their existence has anything to do with this law, or any anti-immigration laws in border states. Are you seriously suggesting that if Mexican illegal immigrants didn't exist, this law (or this thread) would still exist?
    The myth is that Arizona's law is unconstitutional.

    No, if Mexican invaders didn't exist, the issue with illegal aliens could be treated by the extant force of ICE and DHS incompetents.

    Since there's something close to thirty million invaders, the federal agencies tasked with dealing with immigration violations are swamped and unable to control the issue. However, every level of government has agents who deal with vast numbers of the public in situations that authorize them to check ID. Putting those agents to work in support of federal law is a logical use of coordinated resources, just as local police turn captured counterfeiters over to the Secret Service.

    You support, I"m sure, when the National Guard is called up to help some hick town fend off a flood or a fire, don't you?

    So there's no logical objections to the use local law enforcement to assist in containing the federal government is obligated to address but has both refused and failed to do so.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I really am starting to wonder about the world that I am living in: it is a normal thing to have I.D. and if you are in this country? What is sooooooo frigging off putting about having to have something to show it? Give me a break.
    I am white and in a very small minority in this country, and an even smaller minority in that I am a citizen. As a citizen here, I am not required to have my ID card one me (though before my citizenship status was confirmed, I was required to). I have never had a problem with that here, however, though people are often surprised when I tell them I an a citizen of this country...

    What is wrong with immigrants who are legal resident aliens being required to retain their papers? Nothing at all. It is already the law in the U.S. and most other countries around the world.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Federal law already requires it. Law in nearly every country in the world required legal aliens to keep their paperwork on their person at all times.
    I'm sorry, I may be using the wrong words (If you know the right ones feel free to share), by legal immigrant I meant a naturalized citizen, whom under the original bill would be required to carry their documentation, they currently are NOT required to do this under federal law. Legal aliens, citizens of another country, are required to carry their documentation. Naturalized citizens are not, nor should they be.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The myth is that Arizona's law is unconstitutional.

    No, if Mexican invaders didn't exist, the issue with illegal aliens could be treated by the extant force of ICE and DHS incompetents.

    Since there's something close to thirty million invaders, the federal agencies tasked with dealing with immigration violations are swamped and unable to control the issue. However, every level of government has agents who deal with vast numbers of the public in situations that authorize them to check ID. Putting those agents to work in support of federal law is a logical use of coordinated resources, just as local police turn captured counterfeiters over to the Secret Service.

    You support, I"m sure, when the National Guard is called up to help some hick town fend off a flood or a fire, don't you?

    So there's no logical objections to the use local law enforcement to assist in containing the federal government is obligated to address but has both refused and failed to do so.
    Yes! Now we are closer to the same page. This law is designed to stop Mexican illegal immigrants, because that's the real problem! Asian and other ethnicities might be the problem if they can walk or swim here, but they can't, only Mexicans (and South Americans) can, so they are the real problem. When the right wing pretends that this law is just as much for other races it's clearly not true, and only lends an air of legitimacy to the cries of "racist". It doesn't help that some supporters of this bill ARE racist, or hopelessly stupid, such as Jan Brewer stating that most Mexicans come here not to work but to mule drugs.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by rudygetsplenty View Post
    I'm sorry, I may be using the wrong words (If you know the right ones feel free to share), by legal immigrant I meant a naturalized citizen, whom under the original bill would be required to carry their documentation, they currently are NOT required to do this under federal law. Legal aliens, citizens of another country, are required to carry their documentation. Naturalized citizens are not, nor should they be.
    A "legal immigrant" is a non-citizen lawful resident, NOT a naturalized citizen.

    Naturalized citizens in every respect and are not required to carry any documentation any other citizen needs to have.

    A person holding a green card is a legal immigrant, not a citizen. Green card holders may be issued valid state drivers licences, and with such, do not have to carry that green card with them.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by rudygetsplenty View Post
    I'm sorry, I may be using the wrong words (If you know the right ones feel free to share), by legal immigrant I meant a naturalized citizen, whom under the original bill would be required to carry their documentation, they currently are NOT required to do this under federal law. Legal aliens, citizens of another country, are required to carry their documentation. Naturalized citizens are not, nor should they be.
    Please show where in the legislation it requires naturalized citizens to keep their papers. IN my reading of the law, that provision must have slipped me... (I wonder why??)
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Please show where in the legislation it requires naturalized citizens to keep their papers. IN my reading of the law, that provision must have slipped me... (I wonder why??)
    How does anyone prove their status without 'papers?'

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by rudygetsplenty View Post
    Yes! Now we are closer to the same page. This law is designed to stop Mexican illegal immigrants, because that's the real problem!
    Actually, I'm sure the cops in Arizona will be pleased as punch to capture invaders from Iran and Pakistan and the UAE, not to mention any Chinese spies that might try to come by their way.

    Asian and other ethnicities might be the problem if they can walk or swim here, but they can't, only Mexicans (and South Americans) can, so they are the real problem.
    Absolutely right.

    It would never occur to anyone in Iran or Pakistan or China that if they bought their spies an airplane ticket to Mexico City that they could get spies to the US border to infiltrate the country. No, they'd never think of anything that complicated.

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    When the right wing pretends that this law is just as much for other races it's clearly not true,
    Cut the bull****.

    Either cite the paragraphs in the specific law that state racial discrimination or stop trying to pretend it exists.

    and only lends an air of legitimacy to the cries of "racist".
    No, there's no legitimacy to your efforts to paint the law as racist when you cannot cite the racist specifics in the law.

    There are no racist specifics in the law, so give up.

    It doesn't help that some supporters of this bill ARE racist,
    It's completely irrelevant to the law. Look at all the racists that voted for Obama.

    or hopelessly stupid, such as Jan Brewer stating that most Mexicans come here not to work but to mule drugs.
    ALL Mexicans who entered the nation illegally and every person of every other national origin who entered the country illegally deliberately broke the law, and that's the ONLY THING that matters.

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