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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Exactly how do you purport to do that latter? There are an estimated 15 million people that are not here legally. How do you propose to deal with that? Once again, the Conservs have such a simplistic / unrealistic handle on the problems affecting this country. I am not sure what is worse: when the party just says no without offering alternatives or when the party actually opens its mouth and you realize how ridiculous their alternatives actually are.
    Nothing unrealistic about the realization that if enough employers of these invaders are fined and jailed, the other employers will get the picture and the invaders won't have any jobs.

    No jobs means no rent payments.

    No rent payments means no roof.

    No roof means "goin' back home", just like many of the Invaders in Arizona are doing.

    You have noticed the invaders are leaving Arizona like rats fleeing a cooling camel corpse, haven't you? The rest of us have. Funny effect that, for a law that hasn't even been enforced yet. Just wait until the Robert's court properly declares the provisions of the law Constitutional and other states rush to copy it. That will put huge pressures on the remaining states to follow suit, too.

    Again, the solution is that simple. It's called "enforce existing law". Which all that SB1070 allows Arizona police to do, and nothing more than that.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    Nobody is saying that Arizona does not have the right to protect its border, they just cant ignore my rights as a free citizen to do so. We wont let them. We will not tolerate treating us and our kids as second class citizens.
    And what right of yours is being violated?
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by rudygetsplenty View Post
    Yes, there are Asian and even white illegals as well, ...

    ...the mythical non-hispanic illegals.
    Make up your mind.

    There either ARE non-hispanic illegals or they're "mythical". You said both. They can't both exist and not exist.

    Since they do exist, it's clear the Arizona bill is as applicable to them as to the hispanics.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Exactly how do you purport to do that latter? There are an estimated 15 million people that are not here legally. How do you propose to deal with that? Once again, the Conservs have such a simplistic / unrealistic handle on the problems affecting this country. I am not sure what is worse: when the party just says no without offering alternatives or when the party actually opens its mouth and you realize how ridiculous their alternatives actually are.
    Didn't say it wouldn't be easy. However, does the fact that it isn't easy mean you should just give up the ship and quit? Have YOU ever tried something that was tough, or did you just give up and quit because it is too tough. Are you one to whine... aaauuugghhh I can't to that, it's too tough... So, I should give my my goal of finishing a full Ironman Triathlon because it is too tough for a 40-year-old??? Give me a break... That isn't the spirit that made America great... This law is ONE step... ONE part of what needs to be done... Yes, it would be better to have a comprehensive law from Washington, but in absense of that, the State of Arizona has the right and OBLIGATION to protect its citizens... The federal government is not only engaging in criminal neglect, but it is now engaging in criminal INTERFERENCE with Arizona's efforts to protect its citizens.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by rudygetsplenty View Post
    Man, I'm NOT against all aspects of sb1070, but that's just silly. This is not "the left playing the race card", that race card got dealt on the damned flop. Yes, there are Asian and even white illegals as well, but to suggest that this bill was not created because of and is not aimed towards Hispanic illegals is just ridiculous. For Pete's sake, not even the bill's proponents are trying to hide behind the mythical non-hispanic illegals.
    And if they are illegal, they SHOULD be targeted. Legal Hispanics have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!!!!
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Make up your mind.

    There either ARE non-hispanic illegals or they're "mythical". You said both. They can't both exist and not exist.

    Since they do exist, it's clear the Arizona bill is as applicable to them as to the hispanics.
    The myth is not their existence, the myth is that their existence has anything to do with this law, or any anti-immigration laws in border states. Are you seriously suggesting that if Mexican illegal immigrants didn't exist, this law (or this thread) would still exist?
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Same for me several years ago when I was stopped for speeding in Virginia. They had no problem finding my GA records on computers nor did they have any problems confirming my then-fiancee's car registration (also in GA).
    Exactly.

    No problem at all finding the records of a lawful resident who presents his legally required license at a lawful traffic stop.

    Let's see....the law requires ALL drivers of motor vehicles to have their license with them. Therefore, there's no conflict if the cop arrests the person driving a car without a license. It's not the cop's job to selectively enforce laws.

    Therefore, TODAY any police officer in Arizona has the authority to arrest any suspected illegal alien who cannot produce a valid drivers license when stopped driving a car. The officer also has the authority to arrest those with him in the vehicle.

    When an officer arrives at a domestic violence complaint asking for ID is perfectly routine. People who refuse to comply and who are then arrested aren't being "targeted", they're interfering with a police investigation.

    All SB1070 does is formalize what could be performed currently under the law.

    Deal with it.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by rudygetsplenty View Post
    The myth is not their existence, the myth is that their existence has anything to do with this law, or any anti-immigration laws in border states. Are you seriously suggesting that if Mexican illegal immigrants didn't exist, this law (or this thread) would still exist?
    Probably wouldn't because the numbers that are a crushing burden to the State of Arizona wouldn't force it to take this action. Are you denying that it is a problem? Are you denying that the feds are doing little or nothing about it? Or, do you agree with their assertion that they have a RIGHT to migrate to the Southwest???
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Never in my life have I seen such an uproar over people trying to follow the law

    It sends a nice message to criminals: laws are to be overlooked and even changed.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And if they are illegal, they SHOULD be targeted. Legal Hispanics have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!!!!
    They don't now, that the part of the law requiring legal immigrants to carry papers has been shot down. Unless, of course, you think they might be worried about their family being deported. But don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that illegal immigration should be tolerated, although I think there is a separate argument there, I'm not trying to have it here. I'm simply saying that to pretend this is about any race of illegal immigrants is just that, pretending. There's more illegal Mexicans in Arizona than there are illegal anything in the whole country. While if anything this suggests the need for a law such as sb1070, let's not pretend it's coincidence.
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