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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's not the judge's problem. That's the state's problem for not doing this for the last 30 years so that the challenges could be out of the way by now.



    Hello?

    Read your own posts much?

    YOU WROTE:

    So what have you been doing about this "emergency" for the last few decades? Why did you only just now pass this law?
    The reason the law was only "just now" (to use your EXACT words) was the murder of Robert Krentz.

    That makes the issue a new emergency.

    People are being murdered.

    How about if you address that in your spiels about how wonderful the invaders are?

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    sb1070 is unfair because only hispanics will be affected by it. The law will not be applied to african-americans or caucasians equally.
    So, the only illegal immigrants in Arizona are Hispanics? Do you really believe that??? Apparently, there are quite a lot of Asian illegals there as well, and what is to say that there may not be some non-Hispanic white illegals from places like Russia or Ukraine there as well... Once again, the left playing the race card.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    How do I know it will be applied only to hispanics? Common Sense. I dont dispute that many illegals in Arizona come from mexico, but that has nothing to do with me. Most serial killers in the USA are white. How about the next time there is a serial killer in Arizona, we make every white person give a DNA sample. Not the same thing?
    Of course not, because its not happening to you. There are all kinds of legal stops. Technically I could get pulled over for going 4 miles over the speed limit. The white guy will get a ticket, I will get a ticket AND have to have my immigration status verified.

    Why not deal with this through Congress. A well crafted immigration bill can be as effective as a 50 foot fence. However, when an immigration bill is introduced in congress, the republicans always say no.
    Not if you have a valid AZ driver's license...
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    I fully understand this emotionally charged issue, and WHY it is so emotionally charged. I lived in Arizona for several years. I saw the issues..Hell, I live in Pennsylvania, and I see illegals working here as well. I will say, however, not a single one of them is working a job that anyone but my 15 year old son would consider doing. That being said, I have to say something else. My husband and I both served in the Air Force for several years. During that time, I served with many americans of Hispanic descent. One of them, in particular, lives in Arizona now. He is not first generation..he is not even second generation. He is a third generation American Hispanic who has served his country, and now lives in Arizona. Now...Say this friend of mine is walking down the street, and is asked to show his documentaion? Were I him, and this were to happen, I would be absolutely and utterly offended and upset about it just on principle. Now, lets go further, and say he is out without his wallet. Now, they are going to haul him into the police station and make him sit around for several hours while thye dig him out of the database. Not only is it an incredible waste of the officers' time. It is an incredible waste of HIS time, and while I am not a fan of litigiousness, it is also a case for a sweet little lawsuit.

    How about, instead of knee jerk legislation, we sit down and do something that will actually work, and not put undue burden on our police, undue burden on the many legal hispanics in this country, and even more undue burden on our taxpayers?
    Because deny it as many try to, this IS a kneejerk piece of legislation. Its a "we're not gonna take it anymore" type of law, that will, in the long run (and even the short run apparently) be way more complex, confusing, and troublesome than not having the law in the first place. I am a firm believer that instead of arguing incessantly, people should make a decision and give it a go to see what happens. But there also needs to be SOME real thought made on it beforehand. And I don't see that thought put into this law.
    According to this law, this simply is not allowed... READ a little... or are you only reading Dem talking points?
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    What, it is morally bankrupt to control the borders and get people who are not legally in the country out of the country?!?!?
    Exactly how do you purport to do that latter? There are an estimated 15 million people that are not here legally. How do you propose to deal with that? Once again, the Conservs have such a simplistic / unrealistic handle on the problems affecting this country. I am not sure what is worse: when the party just says no without offering alternatives or when the party actually opens its mouth and you realize how ridiculous their alternatives actually are.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    See the Fourth Amendment.
    Okay.

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    Since it's not unreasonable to ask the operator of a motor vehicle for his license (he's required by law to have on in his possession while operating a motor vehicle), his insurance (he's required by law to have proof of that in the vehicle), his failure to provide either is reasonable grounds to investigate him further.

    You probably shouldn't be asking Americans to look at their Constitution if you wish to win arguments with them.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That's weird.

    My wife is not a US citizen. She's French. If she went through Arizona, she'd affected by this law to.

    What kind of racist is it that says only hispanics will be affected?
    Is she legal? Then she wouldn't be affected. My wife is Asian and when we are in the States together, she is there legally. All NON-CITIZENS in the U.S. (as in many other countries, including the one I live in) are REQUIRED to keep their documents on their person at all times (though I am sure there can be reasonable exceptions). So, if you are a legal alien, you have nothing to worry about if you are following the law and are keeping your papers on your person as you are legally required to do under FEDERAL law.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    The only way your wife would be affected is if she has brown skin, brown eyes, and black hair.
    Ohhh... the liberal race card again... did you read the law?
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Wow.

    The old out-of-state license gag.

    Too bad not every state has their licenses computerized and accessible by every law enforcement agency in the country.

    Oh.

    Wait.

    Every state does have it's license data-base on line.

    The cop in Syracuse didn't have a problem with my California license. Not at all.
    Amazing thing, these computers.

    And if a state doesn't require proof-of-citizenship prior to issuing a license, well, that would be known to Arizona, and I'm sure some process has been worked out for people from those foolish states.
    Same for me several years ago when I was stopped for speeding in Virginia. They had no problem finding my GA records on computers nor did they have any problems confirming my then-fiancee's car registration (also in GA).
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, the only illegal immigrants in Arizona are Hispanics? Do you really believe that??? Apparently, there are quite a lot of Asian illegals there as well, and what is to say that there may not be some non-Hispanic white illegals from places like Russia or Ukraine there as well... Once again, the left playing the race card.
    Man, I'm NOT against all aspects of sb1070, but that's just silly. This is not "the left playing the race card", that race card got dealt on the damned flop. Yes, there are Asian and even white illegals as well, but to suggest that this bill was not created because of and is not aimed towards Hispanic illegals is just ridiculous. For Pete's sake, not even the bill's proponents are trying to hide behind the mythical non-hispanic illegals.
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