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    Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convictions

    After 27 years behind bars, Michael Anthony Green is slated for release from a Texas prison today after an investigation revealed that he was innocent of a 1983 aggravated sexual assault for which he was sentenced to 75 years in prison.

    He'll be the second man wrongly-convicted of rape to be freed from a Texas jail in the past week.
    Green and Allen Wayne Porter, who was released on bond last Friday after it was determined that he was not one of the three men who invaded a southwest Houston apartment in 1990 and raped two women, served a combined 46 years before a group comprised of local lawyers and investigators reviewed their cases and unearthed new facts.
    You know, that's a total of 46 years of prison time for 2 men who were innocent. The good news is that one of them is going to get more than 2 million dollars for the time he spent in prison, and I am sure that the other will get a huge amount also. That won't get a huge chunk of either man's life back, but it will at least pay them compensation for their unjust convictions.

    In what is known as the Texas "for profit" plantation prison system, not all the system is bad. In fact, things are improving. The department which led the investigation that eventually freed both men was created by the Harris County Prosecutor's Office, right here in Houston. Yes, even in a place like Texas, things are changing, and for the better.

    People ask me why I am against the death penalty. To be honest, if it was perfect, then I would be the first to throw the switch. But it isn't, not in Texas, nor anywhere else in the US. These 2 inmates are lucky they were not convicted of a capital offense. At least they will be compensated. Someone wrongfully executed for a murder he did not commit is totally screwed, and compensation becomes a meaningless concept. THIS is why I oppose the death penalty, and always will, until it becomes 100 percent accurate, and no innocent people are put to death, which will happen................ Never. At least, not in Texas, also known as the nation of "Hang 'em High", for both, those who murder, and the occasional person who does not.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    This is the reason I'm also against the death penalty.

    Your post raises a more pressing issue though, which is what explains the crime and punishment system in the U.S.: it provides a steady stream of cheap, private labor through the corrections system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    This is the reason I'm also against the death penalty.

    Your post raises a more pressing issue though, which is what explains the crime and punishment system in the U.S.: it provides a steady stream of cheap, private labor through the corrections system.
    In Texas it does. Much of the Texas prison system is "for profit", and the prison system here is widely referred to as "The Plantation". The courts are very quick to put people in it too. Slavery didn't die in Texas. It just took another form. But most of those who go to prison deserve it, and we want convicts to earn their living (incarceration). However, those few innocents who end up there are, IMHO, virtual slaves, which does make the prison system in Texas a system of slavery.
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Innocents are more at risk without the death penalty.

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    I do agree that our standards of proof should be a lot higher. The number of convicts who have been cleared by DNA testing is shocking. And we need better oversight over the testing as well. There have been more than a few scandals at the FBI labs in recent years.

    With regards to prison v. death penalty, assuming the standard of proof was much more definitive, I quite simply don't think society should have to bear the cost of keeping a murderer alive in prison for the rest of his life.

    Name one executed murderer who has killed again.

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    There are times when you can be sure of the crimes a person committed. At these times the death penalty should be on the table. Further, rapists and murderers should suffer in some way.

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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, that's a total of 46 years of prison time for 2 men who were innocent. The good news is that one of them is going to get more than 2 million dollars for the time he spent in prison, and I am sure that the other will get a huge amount also. That won't get a huge chunk of either man's life back, but it will at least pay them compensation for their unjust convictions.

    In what is known as the Texas "for profit" plantation prison system, not all the system is bad. In fact, things are improving. The department which led the investigation that eventually freed both men was created by the Harris County Prosecutor's Office, right here in Houston. Yes, even in a place like Texas, things are changing, and for the better.

    People ask me why I am against the death penalty. To be honest, if it was perfect, then I would be the first to throw the switch. But it isn't, not in Texas, nor anywhere else in the US. These 2 inmates are lucky they were not convicted of a capital offense. At least they will be compensated. Someone wrongfully executed for a murder he did not commit is totally screwed, and compensation becomes a meaningless concept. THIS is why I oppose the death penalty, and always will, until it becomes 100 percent accurate, and no innocent people are put to death, which will happen................ Never. At least, not in Texas, also known as the nation of "Hang 'em High", for both, those who murder, and the occasional person who does not.

    Article is here.
    Groan. Can you even show where its been proven a single man was killed by the state in the last 30 years who was proven innocent?

    I prefer people who have true moral issues with the dealth penalty other than asking for a perfect system
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Groan. Can you even show where its been proven a single man was killed by the state in the last 30 years who was proven innocent?

    I prefer people who have true moral issues with the dealth penalty other than asking for a perfect system
    The moral issue is that we don't want to condemn someone to death when they are innocent. Killing someone who was wrongfully convicted of a crime is also murder at the state level. They didn't commit the crime, through flaws in the justice system an innocent person is sentenced as guilty and placed on death row. The moral issue is that we don't want to kill an innocent person when we know innocent people get wrongfully sentenced as guilty. It is a true moral issue.
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Groan. Can you even show where its been proven a single man was killed by the state in the last 30 years who was proven innocent?

    I prefer people who have true moral issues with the dealth penalty other than asking for a perfect system

    Can you show where anyone has even tried to figure that out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The moral issue is that we don't want to condemn someone to death when they are innocent. Killing someone who was wrongfully convicted of a crime is also murder at the state level. They didn't commit the crime, through flaws in the justice system an innocent person is sentenced as guilty and placed on death row. The moral issue is that we don't want to kill an innocent person when we know innocent people get wrongfully sentenced as guilty. It is a true moral issue.
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