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Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convictions

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texmaster said:
Vader as usual is up to his same old lies and deception. Until you can back up your claims enjoy living the world of fiction.
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Since you're from Texas, you get no opinion. You are barred from this conversation.
 
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danarhea said:
You know, that's a total of 46 years of prison time for 2 men who were innocent. The good news is that one of them is going to get more than 2 million dollars for the time he spent in prison, and I am sure that the other will get a huge amount also. That won't get a huge chunk of either man's life back, but it will at least pay them compensation for their unjust convictions.

In what is known as the Texas "for profit" plantation prison system, not all the system is bad. In fact, things are improving. The department which led the investigation that eventually freed both men was created by the Harris County Prosecutor's Office, right here in Houston. Yes, even in a place like Texas, things are changing, and for the better.

People ask me why I am against the death penalty. To be honest, if it was perfect, then I would be the first to throw the switch. But it isn't, not in Texas, nor anywhere else in the US. These 2 inmates are lucky they were not convicted of a capital offense. At least they will be compensated. Someone wrongfully executed for a murder he did not commit is totally screwed, and compensation becomes a meaningless concept. THIS is why I oppose the death penalty, and always will, until it becomes 100 percent accurate, and no innocent people are put to death, which will happen................ Never. At least, not in Texas, also known as the nation of "Hang 'em High", for both, those who murder, and the occasional person who does not.

Article is here.
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To be fair all states have the same problem, just watched a show about a inmate in FL, MD and ILL who also where wrongly convicted, and speaking for the one in FL. who was imprisoned for prescription drugs his doctor prescribed him...for 3 years and he was wheelchair bound. Texas like all states are not the exception.
 
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Vader said:
Does the truth hurt Mr. Righty?
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No, you're pseudo-reality does. Same with your photoshop skills. Perhaps you should try some online tutorials. Here is a link for you: http://www.tutorialized.com/tutorials/Photoshop/1

EDIT: It's too bad they don't have intelligence tutorials :)
 
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deltabtry said:
To be fair all states have the same problem, just watched a show about a inmate in FL, MD and ILL who also where wrongly convicted, and speaking for the one in FL. who was imprisoned for prescription drugs his doctor prescribed him...for 3 years and he was wheelchair bound. Texas like all states are not the exception.
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I just do not think 2 million is enough compensation. At the very least, the prosecutors and judges in those cases need to be disbarred and their properties need to be sold so they can begin compensating their victims. Then the State of Texas needs to pay out 100 million to each of those victims.
 
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Vader said:
Since you're from Texas, you get no opinion. You are barred from this conversation.
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I rest my case. If he had proof to back up his lies he would have produced it. But that requires something he simply doesn't have. Competence.
 
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Vader said:
Keep your insults and your right wing rhetoric to yourself.
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Since you're from Texas, you get no opinion. You are barred from this conversation.
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"Keep your insults and your [mindless] rhetoric to yourself."
 
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Vader said:
No it's not. Mistakes happen... innocent people spend 27 years in prison or die on the table ... but that's a mistake and those responsible shouldn't be held accountable for the blood on their hands ... sure.... maybe you think this is ok ... but I do not.

If an innocent man is executed, those responsible (the judge and the prosecutors) need to face the same punishment.. Then than punishment needs to be commuted to life in prison without parole or visitation from family members.
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that's idiotic unless they intentionally conspired to frame someone. IF THEY DID there are plenty of laws that will punish such actions severely. Should the hangman be hanged if he is given a death warrant on a prisoner who turns out to be innocent? what about the jailers who take the man to the gallows? what about the governor who doesn't commute the sentence.
 
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ric27 said:
I do agree that our standards of proof should be a lot higher. The number of convicts who have been cleared by DNA testing is shocking. And we need better oversight over the testing as well. There have been more than a few scandals at the FBI labs in recent years.

With regards to prison v. death penalty, assuming the standard of proof was much more definitive, I quite simply don't think society should have to bear the cost of keeping a murderer alive in prison for the rest of his life.

Name one executed murderer who has killed again.
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To that, I reply, name one executed innocent person who has killed again. LOL. I throw out this little joke to laugh at the straw man you built here.
 
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danarhea said:
To that, I reply, name one executed innocent person who has killed again. LOL. I throw out this little joke to laugh at the straw man you built here.
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Neither of you can name a person so you're even.
 
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texmaster said:
I rest my case. If he had proof to back up his lies he would have produced it. But that requires something he simply doesn't have. Competence.
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People from Texas talking about competence... wow... that's rich!
 
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Vader said:
People from Texas talking about competence... wow... that's rich!
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Texas seems to be one of the few states that is actually doing well in terms of an economy.
 
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Rightwingnutjob said:
Neither of you can name a person so you're even.
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An executed convict may be awarded a pardon beyond the grave because of DNA evidence, potentially dealing a dramatic blow to the death penalty in America.

The governor of Virginia, Mark Warner, has ordered DNA tests on Roger Coleman, a miner executed in 1992 for raping and murdering his sister-in-law.

ARTICLE: DNA test on man 'wrongly executed' - Telegraph

You've just been defeated by your own request.
 
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MrVicchio said:
They volunteer to die by their actions. Why do you act like they are victims of the State?
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Sometimes others do the volunteering for them, as when Rick Perry replaced 3 members of the forensic board here in Texas, while they were investigating a botched conviction of an innocent man. He was executed for a crime he did not commit, and Perry attempted to cover it up.
 
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TurtleDude said:
Texas seems to be one of the few states that is actually doing well in terms of an economy.
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That's a myth.

Texas is no better off than the rest of the country. This is largely due to republican greedmongering.
 
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ric27 said:
Achieve what? Rather than fix the real problem, we'll just cancel the death penalty, and sweep the real problem under the rug - who cares if people sit in prison for 20 years on a bad conviction?
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Reading comprehension is your friend. Reading comprehension would've told you that the "what" was fixing the justice system so that we don't kill a single solitary innocent person, ever.

That would be fixing the real problem, not sweeping the real problem under the rug.

ric27 said:
Even if you changed the death penalty to life in prison, it's still a problem. The problem IS with the administration of justice in the court system, not the administration of the death penalty.
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Sure there's still a problem, but at least with life you've got a shot at exonerating someone wrongfully convicted before they die.
 
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danarhea said:
Sometimes others do the volunteering for them, as when Rick Perry replaced 3 members of the forensic board here in Texas, while they were investigating a botched conviction of an innocent man. He was executed for a crime he did not commit, and Perry attempted to cover it up.
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Exactly my point. This is why Texas should not be allowed to use the death penalty.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that's idiotic unless they intentionally conspired to frame someone. IF THEY DID there are plenty of laws that will punish such actions severely. Should the hangman be hanged if he is given a death warrant on a prisoner who turns out to be innocent? what about the jailers who take the man to the gallows? what about the governor who doesn't commute the sentence.
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Says a conservative representative of those responsible for taking away life from the innocent. No. It's not idiotic. Those prosecutors and judges need to pay the price consequences of their bad judgement. You can call this crazy all you want. All you're doing is sheilding the guilty few from the consequences of their actions.

I say ... if you sentence an innocent man to die ... you face life without parole. You took his life ... you lose your own... so to speak. This law will make mindless, conviction rating-obsessed legal professionals think twice about going after people with only circumstantial evidence. This would also level the playing field for those poor folks who cannot afford a 600 per hour mouth piece to defend them.

It's equal justice ... that makes the prosecutors and judges think twice.
 
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some people need frying but I don't trust the government with the power to fry people

something a current federal judge once told me

a very wise man
 
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Vader said:
An executed convict may be awarded a pardon beyond the grave because of DNA evidence, potentially dealing a dramatic blow to the death penalty in America.

The governor of Virginia, Mark Warner, has ordered DNA tests on Roger Coleman, a miner executed in 1992 for raping and murdering his sister-in-law.

ARTICLE: DNA test on man 'wrongly executed' - Telegraph

You've just been defeated by your own request.
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Except he never killed a man after he was executed. One person requested an example of someone who murdered after being wronfully executed and one requested an example of someone who killed after they were rightfully executed. Neither is possible so they both still have '0' points. You have '-1' for your pathetic reading comprehension. Did you even break '400' on the SAT?
 
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Vader said:
Says a conservative representative of those responsible for taking away life from the innocent. No. It's not idiotic. Those prosecutors and judges need to pay the price consequences of their bad judgement. You can call this crazy all you want. All you're doing is sheilding the guilty few from the consequences of their actions.

I say ... if you sentence an innocent man to die ... you face life without parole. You took his life ... you lose your own... so to speak. This law will make mindless, conviction rating-obsessed legal professionals think twice about going after people with only circumstantial evidence. This would also level the playing field for those poor folks who cannot afford a 600 per hour mouth piece to defend them.

It's equal justice ... that makes the prosecutors and judges think twice.
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I have heard this before-normally from people with records. Good luck at getting that passed. and BTW having watched a few hundred federal felony trials, public defenders are often top flight trial attorneys-especially at the federal level because they try far more cases than private counsel. that's why the former asst Public Defender in Cincinnati went straight into a partnership at one of the most prestigious law firms in the Midwest as head of their white collar defense department.
 
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