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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Science improves, and our Justice System improves.

    You cannot have a criminal justice system that does not make mistakes.
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    That is not ok with my. Why is the life of a murderer not sacred? Why do we have the right to determine that someone is no longer worthy of living? Is it ok for strict countries to punish people by death for blasphemy against religion, infidelity, or speaking out against the state?
    Why do we have the right to determine that someone should be killed? Because if that jury of your peers deems it so? That makes it so and that is the way it should be.

    The only problem with the death penalty is that we do not use it enough. I am talking about cases where they confess, caught on tape, caught where there is NO doubt.
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Why do we have the right to determine that someone should be killed? Because if that jury of your peers deems it so? That makes it so and that is the way it should be.
    So then life is given value based on what others deem it to be? If the justification is that a jury of our peers deems one's life to die, would that apply for any reason? What if a jury of someone's peers believed that stealing a loaf of bread was worthy of death? Is human life something that ins inherently valuable? Or is it only valuable if we project value on it?
    The only problem with the death penalty is that we do not use it enough. I am talking about cases where they confess, caught on tape, caught where there is NO doubt.
    So if someone confesses to wrong actions do they still deserve to die? If they admit their wrongs should they be put to death? Why do we have the right to dictate that someone's life is forfeit because they committed "x" action? And who's to stop anyone from going to extremes and defining "x" action as being something so subtle as saying a curse word or hurting someone's feelings?
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, but that does not address my question. Why do those countries have the right to enact the death penalty for crimes they deem are worthy of death? Likewise, what separates us from them? Why do we have the right to say X crime merits the death penalty? If it's because "the government has the right to make laws and enact the death penalty" then so do other world governments for whatever reason they want. You may disagree with other nations having crimes that merit death, but by the same logic they are justified in their sentencing if the logic is simply "government has the right to determine levels of punishment for various crimes."
    Seriously, read Romans 13:1-7

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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So then life is given value based on what others deem it to be? If the justification is that a jury of our peers deems one's life to die, would that apply for any reason? What if a jury of someone's peers believed that stealing a loaf of bread was worthy of death? Is human life something that ins inherently valuable? Or is it only valuable if we project value on it?

    So if someone confesses to wrong actions do they still deserve to die? If they admit their wrongs should they be put to death? Why do we have the right to dictate that someone's life is forfeit because they committed "x" action? And who's to stop anyone from going to extremes and defining "x" action as being something so subtle as saying a curse word or hurting someone's feelings?
    They volunteer to die by their actions. Why do you act like they are victims of the State?
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So then life is given value based on what others deem it to be? If the justification is that a jury of our peers deems one's life to die, would that apply for any reason? What if a jury of someone's peers believed that stealing a loaf of bread was worthy of death? Is human life something that ins inherently valuable? Or is it only valuable if we project value on it?

    So if someone confesses to wrong actions do they still deserve to die? If they admit their wrongs should they be put to death? Why do we have the right to dictate that someone's life is forfeit because they committed "x" action? And who's to stop anyone from going to extremes and defining "x" action as being something so subtle as saying a curse word or hurting someone's feelings?
    So do you wish to over throw our justice system and the way we do things?

    If someone is stupid enough to confess to killing someone in cold blood? Well yeah put em down.

    Why do we have a right? Well it goes back to a jury of your peers and what they think. Criminals know it and so do you.

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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Seriously, read Romans 13:1-7
    Read Ezekiel 18:23
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They volunteer to die by their actions. Why do you act like they are victims of the State?
    Wait, they think "I chose to die because I want to burn the Koran"? Or "I chose to die because I feel like committing adultery"? They are victims of society who do not value life and would rather deem certain people unworthy of living because of past actions. I agree that we should punish criminals, and sick minded ilk that commit atrocious crimes deserve harsh punishments, but what is the benefit of death? Why not hard labor? Why not a life of imprisonment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    So do you wish to over throw our justice system and the way we do things?
    I wish to reform our justice system to protect the sanctity of life and also to bring about justice.
    If someone is stupid enough to confess to killing someone in cold blood? Well yeah put em down.
    So they condemn themselves to die by doing the "right" thing and admit to a crime? Why should anyone confess or feel remorse for actions if they are going to be put to death anyway?
    Why do we have a right? Well it goes back to a jury of your peers and what they think. Criminals know it and so do you.
    I do know that, and that is why I addressed why I believe it's wrong for our peers to put a value on life. Again, would it be okay to put a child to death for stealing bread if a jury believes that it is an appropriate punishment?
    Get some dressings to put over your bleeding heart and get real.
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Read Ezekiel 18:23
    You apparently do not understand the conceptual difference between innocent and not-innocent/criminal punishment. The definitive scriptures (Romans) from the New Testament covers the issue. That covers "who gets to decide". When imposed as a punishment by law by the legal government.

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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You apparently do not understand the conceptual difference between innocent and not-innocent/criminal punishment. The definitive scriptures (Romans) from the New Testament covers the issue. That covers "who gets to decide". When imposed as a punishment by law by the legal government.
    Read Ephesian 6:2. The Bible does not state that government is the highest power and is infallible. It tells us to respect the laws, but that they aren't always the moral decision and at times we must fight against them. So, do you interpret that passage to mean that the government could decide to kill all Christians and God gives his stamp of approval on it because He gives them the right to decide right and wrong?
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    Re: Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convicti

    Two black men convicted wrongly in Texas.. who would have thought that could happen...

    As for only getting 2 million.. gezz.. it should be 10s of millions at least.
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