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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yes I know, I once saw Canada from New York. I have foreign policy experience too.
    This is where your logic fails most decidedly.

    Palin never implied that because she could "See" Russia, that gave her some special experience. She's Gov'rn of a state within site of Russia, basically she was saying "DUH" to the idiot reporter. OF COURSE she has experience with interacting with Russia (and Canada). Maybe not hanging out with their Prime Minister... what Gov'rn does, but she does have active experience in dealing with foriegn countries.

    People like you needed that sort of in depth answer, cause your obviously to incapable of making that assessment on your own, and instead will wait for the Media to TELL YOU HOW TO THINK!
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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    From that, I would infer that you probably know mexican cuisine very well, you probably picked up some of the language, you had some familiarity with the geography at least along the border, had some contact with their local customs and the way they do business, and probably some fair degree of exposure to their art and culture.

    See how stopping to think beyond the soundbye works? I'm really not asking a lot here...
    And you would be wrong. Living near the border gave me no insight whatsoever. Now, living in the actual country for 4 months, THAT gave me some insight. I'm surprised you didn't realize that I had that kind of experience though. Maybe I should have dumbed it down for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Have you read what Jallman said? Being the governor of Alaska gives her foreign policy experience in regards to fishing and other things. Being a governor of a state, one would not expect them to have much experience with international issues. However, border states and Alaska do deal with foreign nations. Out of all governors, Palin has probably had more foreign policy experience than other governors. What experience did Obama have with foreign policy being a new senator? None.

    Honestly, I can't believe we are talking about Palin in this thread.
    I ****ing hate Obama, so you're not going to help yourself by bringing him up.

    Look, what her experience was is irrelevant to what she SAID. What she said made her look and sound like a ****ing idiot. If she did actually HAVE experience, then maybe... just maybe... she should have spoken of that when she was asked the damn question. But instead, she says that she can see Russia from land in Alaska. /facepalm

    It would have been 10x better if she'd even said, "No, I do NOT have experience dealing with foreign heads of state - and neither does our opponent. But, I didn't have experience being a governor before I became governor either. As I have with every position I have undertaken, I learn quickly and constantly. And I have no doubt whatsoever in my ability to have meaningful dialogue with other foreign head's of state."

    But no, she said, "We can see Russia from land in Alaska." ****ing seriously? Well no ****ing **** sherlock [Palin], what's that got to do with question that was asked, though?

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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This is where your logic fails most decidedly.

    Palin never implied that because she could "See" Russia, that gave her some special experience. She's Gov'rn of a state within site of Russia, basically she was saying "DUH" to the idiot reporter. OF COURSE she has experience with interacting with Russia (and Canada). Maybe not hanging out with their Prime Minister... what Gov'rn does, but she does have active experience in dealing with foriegn countries.

    People like you needed that sort of in depth answer, cause your obviously to incapable of making that assessment on your own, and instead will wait for the Media to TELL YOU HOW TO THINK!
    Exactly. I can't believe someone as smart as rivrrat accepted a soundbyte AND THEN turned around and let the media analyze it for her and tell her how to interpret it.

    If Palin is guilty of anything, it was coming to the table with enough respect for the American people to not talk to them like they were idiots.

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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Palin can't sue for that.
    Like it or not she's fair game.

    Sherrod can.
    I don't think she has much of a case TBH. Libel and slander are much tougher to prove if you are a A) Public Figure(ala celebrity or politician) or B) Public servant(ala public service employee in high positions). You, other posters here, or I can easily sue and be sued for written or verbal damage to reputation but those who are subject to public scrutiny must prove it to a higher degree.

    For most cases three basic conditions must be met: 1) Defamation - Basically harm to the reputation and standing of those within a group(size independent for the purpose of the slander/libel). Whether this suit meets that condition is iffy, was she harmed by this video due to the actions of Mr. Breitbart or was she harmed by the initial source of the video. Since the defendant got the video from a third party it would follow that he had no prior control of the message therefore may have not had knowledge of a contextual change. 2) Publication - This one is self-explanatory, Mr Breitbart did furnish the video regardless of the third party providing it and should have done due dilligence in confirming that the message was accurate. Simply contacting the plaintiff would have sufficed. He published it regardless of the source 3) Identification - Obviously Ms. Sherrod was identified so this one is met in full.
    But, when dealing with officials, celebrities, and other public officials there is a fourth condition that must be met Fault - "Actual Malice" has to be established in the SCOTUS case of New York Times v. Sullivan(1964) meaning that the defendant must be shown to have deliberately and recklessly portrayed a falsehood with the intent to defame the plaintiff. All "public" individuals must prove this and some "private" ones must as well when they sue media defendants.(Gertz v. Welch,1974).

    In summary, Ms. Sherrod really doesn't have much of a case.
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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    And you would be wrong. Living near the border gave me no insight whatsoever. Now, living in the actual country for 4 months, THAT gave me some insight. I'm surprised you didn't realize that I had that kind of experience though. Maybe I should have dumbed it down for you?
    And now you are flat out lying to attempt to dig yourself out of the hole you dug. You may not have garnered the experience in SD that you did living in Mexico (which was irrelevant to start with because you are now expecting me to make inferences from information I was never given), but you gained experience with their culture and you know it and you know I know it because of my exposure to their culture living 140 miles north of San Diego.

    If you aren't going to be honest in your discussion and your goal is to play childish gotcha games, leaning on some undeserved sense of accomplishment because I didn't know you lived in Mexico and point that out when we were talking about your experience in San Diego, there's no point in even bothering with you on this topic.

    Face it, rivrrat...you failed at this one and now you are throwing punches at the air like a child having a tantrum.

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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Exactly. I can't believe someone as smart as rivrrat accepted a soundbyte AND THEN turned around and let the media analyze it for her and tell her how to interpret it.

    If Palin is guilty of anything, it was coming to the table with enough respect for the American people to not talk to them like they were idiots.
    Weird, but I watched the interview and made up my mind on the spot! Imagine that, thinking for myself. After all, McCain had my vote. Until Palin started talking.

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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    And you would be wrong. Living near the border gave me no insight whatsoever. Now, living in the actual country for 4 months, THAT gave me some insight. I'm surprised you didn't realize that I had that kind of experience though. Maybe I should have dumbed it down for you?


    I ****ing hate Obama, so you're not going to help yourself by bringing him up.

    Look, what her experience was is irrelevant to what she SAID. What she said made her look and sound like a ****ing idiot. If she did actually HAVE experience, then maybe... just maybe... she should have spoken of that when she was asked the damn question. But instead, she says that she can see Russia from land in Alaska. /facepalm


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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Weird, but I watched the interview and made up my mind on the spot! Imagine that, thinking for myself. After all, McCain had my vote. Until Palin started talking.
    Then I am even more disturbed that your analysis is that lazy and shallow.

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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Weird, but I watched the interview and made up my mind on the spot! Imagine that, thinking for myself. After all, McCain had my vote. Until Palin started talking.



    McCain had my vote until McCain started talking.
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    Re: Outsted USDA employee Sherrod plans to sue blogger

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And now you are flat out lying to attempt to dig yourself out of the hole you dug. You may not have garnered the experience that you did living there (which was irrelevant to start with because you are now expecting me to make inferences from information I was never given), but you gained experience with their culture and you know it and you know I know it because of my exposure to their culture living 140 miles north of San Diego.
    No, I didn't Joey. I gained no knowledge of Mexico living in San Diego. None.

    If you aren't going to be honest in your discussion and your goal is to play childish gotcha games, leaning on some undeserved sense of accomplishment because I didn't know you lived in Mexico and point that out when we were talking about your experience in San Diego, there's no point in even bothering with you on this topic.
    That's the whole ****ing point. You DIDN'T know what my full experience was. And I didn't tell you at first. Maybe Palin actually did have experience, but she didn't SAY that. Just as I didn't say that I lived in Mexico and have such experience. There's no way in ****ing hell you could infer the amount of experience I have with Mexico just by way of me telling you I lived near the border. And I sure as **** wouldn't expect you to. Yet, that's what you're saying the whole country should have done when Palin said she could see Russia.


    Face it, rivrrat...you failed at this one and now you are throwing punches at the air like a child having a tantrum.
    Nah, i'm punching my Aflac duck on my desk because he squeaks when I hit him.

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