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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    far right would be

    1) stating that the federal government has absolutely no power to regulate small arms or holding that the expansion of the commerce clause was unconstitutional--however in Heller and McDonald, the power to regulate small arms was assumed to some extent even by those who understood it is clearly an individual right to keep and bear arms

    2) far right would be holding that the war on drugs-especially weed grown in California and consumed in california-is unconstitutional because the commerce clause did not grant the federal government that power/ Yet the USSC upheld such bans

    3) Far right would be holding that most of the new deal legislation should be treated the same way ND legislation was treated in Schechner Poultry

    4) Far right would be holding that the federal government does not have the power to tell private businesses who they have to serve or that they have to treat women or blacks or people over 40 the same as other employees. Yet the Court in Burlington Northern and Santa Fe RR v White expanded employee rights under Title VII

    the Roberts Court is moderately statist Hardly "far right"
    You are not a good person to judge where the far right is, just as I am not a good person to judge where the far left is. We both lack the proper perspective.
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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

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    That's true Navy...but the really good thing that comes out of this....it prevent the right-wing from being able to advance their right-wing agenda. Obama saved the Supreme Court from falling into the hands of extremists....I thank GOD every day for that. The one chance that the right-wing had to take over the court within the next couple of decades was in the last election. Now...when Ginsburg retires Obama will further cement it with another young justice....most likely another moderate, but at least it will push the right-wing further back from getting their activist right-wing court.
    In today's political world, I wouldn't expect a liberal Supreme Court Justice to retire under a conservative President. Similarly, no conservative Supreme Court Justice would retire under a liberal President. Justices, just like politicians, want to keep the balance of power in favor of their agenda/opinions. Nothing about Kagan says she is a Constitutionalist, but from what I have seen she is simply a replacement of Stevens. I do not expect the Supreme Court to lean any further left with her replacing Stevens. That being said, I do not wish to see her a Supreme Court Justice.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

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    You are not a good person to judge where the far right is, just as I am not a good person to judge where the far left is. We both lack the proper perspective.
    really? I have spent a rather large amount of the past 29 years of my life reading legal decisions. I constantly read commentaries on decisions. I have argued dozens of appellate cases. I suggest I have a rather well grounded opinion on what constitutes extreme left and extreme right in American jurisprudence
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.

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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? I have spent a rather large amount of the past 29 years of my life reading legal decisions. I constantly read commentaries on decisions. I have argued dozens of appellate cases. I suggest I have a rather well grounded opinion on what constitutes extreme left and extreme right in American jurisprudence
    Jurisprudence yes, you have a strong grounding. What is the far left and far right, not so much.
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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Jurisprudence yes, you have a strong grounding. What is the far left and far right, not so much.
    how would you know-you have admitted bias and a lack of knowledge on the topic
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.

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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

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    how would you know-you have admitted bias and a lack of knowledge on the topic
    And whether you admit to it or not, you have a strong bias as well. I at least am honest about that bias.
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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    The federal government possesses only those powers specifically granted to it by the Constitution. Under the Constitution, the role of the courts is strictly limited. Their job is neither to make laws nor amend the Constitution but to interpret the laws and the Constitution as written, guided by the plain meaning of the words and the intent of the Framers.


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    The liberal elite are desperate to keep the Supreme Court on their side to advance liberal policy priorities that lack the popular support to win approval from state legislatures or Congress. It was not elected lawmakers who expelled God from the public square, conferred due process rights on al Qaeda terrorists and forced states to educate illegal aliens. It was unelected justices on the Supreme Court. For decades, this is the way the American left has won its most important political battlesónot at the ballot box, but in court.

    http://www.landmarklegal.org/Desktop...n%20events.htm

    Good article. So is this really what it boils down to? Circumventing the will of the people for unpopular measures from the left? How is that not tyranny?


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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Sessions, the man who thought the KKK were alright, until he found they smoked pot Sessions?

    Between him and those who believe that the Supreme Court of the United States of America contains a leftist cabal, conspiring against the people.... words can't express it.
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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    YouTube - Sessions to Dem Senators: Don't Rubberstamp Kagan Nomination for Obama


    So, Is Sessions right? Is Kagen really nothing more than a mirror of Obama's ideological, and purely political appointment? She will serve for decades, will her vote be constitutionally based, or will she vote strictly along "Progressive" lines? And doesn't the sitting President have the right to appoint anyone he wants?


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    Strictly along progressive lines, hopefully.

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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    How can you bring yourself to make such an outlandish accusation? Where's the evidence? Your basic rights still exsist! You still have the freedom to say what you want, go where you want, do pretty much anything you want, dress how you like, eat wherever you prefer, obtain any kind of job without the need for a work permit (unless you're an illegal alien), obtain just about any kind of weapon that's legally permissable to purchase, own and carry under the law, worship as you please.

    What basic right has been taken away from you, apdst? WHAT!?!

    It's this kind of hyper-partisian BS that just drives me crazy!!! Enough already!!!

    To the thread topic...

    Every once in a while even the Judiciary needs to have a balance of power within its ranks. The confirmation of Sotomeyer and Kagen helps to even out things within the Judicial Branch somewhat. It's been mostly Conservative for a very long time and until the recent SC ruling to overturn campaign financial contribution from corporations, I really didn't have a problem with the decisions made by that judicial body. I do believe the President has the right afforded him under the Constitution to appoint whomever he sees fit to sit on the SC. It's kind of like what happens with Congress from time to time in that every once in a while one side of the political spectrum holds the reigns until their time is done. Only problem with SC nominees is that once appointed they sit for life! So, a "replacement" isn't nominated unless and until one dies or retires (usually due to health reasons). And when that does happen nobody really knows for sure which side of the political spectrum the next President will be on.

    The nation can only hope that when the time comes the next SC nominee will be someone who will render a decision moreso to uphold the law rather than merely imposse their moral stamp on it or rule from within their own political ideology. To that, I think both Sotomeyer and Kagan are very capable of rendering decisions within the spirit of the law.
    Hyper partisan? It's hyper partisan to expect the Supreme Court to vote unanimously in favor of The Bill of Rights?
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    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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