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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anyone who calls Alito or roberts extremists is extremely ignorant about the court and the state of jurisprudence.

    Kagan is a moderate to someone like you.
    And by that argument, Alito and Roberts are only not extreme to some one like you.
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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And by that argument, Alito and Roberts are only not extreme to some one like you.
    actually few honest legal scholars would call them extreme.

    the most extreme stuff comes from breyer--did you read his idiotic dissents in Heller and McDonald?



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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

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    actually few honest legal scholars would call them extreme.

    the most extreme stuff comes from breyer--did you read his idiotic dissents in Heller and McDonald?
    I am not a lawyer. I have read a few court decisions, when I really had to for debates, but I find them a cure for insomnia.
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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Hold on, we need to leave the petty bickering aside on this one if we can please. I really want to know. I mean to some of the liberals, what makes Kagan a "moderate" and why do some consider her appointment a move to the right? And what makes Roberts, or Alito extreme right wing? Is it because they vote conservative on issues? Is it because they try to stick to the intent of the constitution instead of spouting nonsense like the living, breathing document stuff, and looking to other countries case law to decide?

    Radical eh? So stay on point, what is Sessions worried about if it won't change the balance? And don't have to say to ourselves as conservatives that we argued for Bush to be able to appoint his ideological picks? If Kagan is dangerous as a progressive, then it only goes to prove how Obama is trying to portray himself as a moderate, while governing, and appointing from the extreme fringe.


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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anyone who calls Alito or roberts extremists is extremely ignorant about the court and the state of jurisprudence.

    Kagan is a moderate to someone like you.
    Oh pul-lease......I would bet that most conservatives themselves would label Alito and Roberts as very conservative and to the fr right. That's why they like them.
    At least TRY to be honest.
    As for Kagan....have you been following the confirmation or looked at her record? There is a reason why people on the left are not happy with her selection....but that would require that you actually look at and study some of the facts.
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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hold on, we need to leave the petty bickering aside on this one if we can please. I really want to know. I mean to some of the liberals, what makes Kagan a "moderate" and why do some consider her appointment a move to the right? And what makes Roberts, or Alito extreme right wing? Is it because they vote conservative on issues? Is it because they try to stick to the intent of the constitution instead of spouting nonsense like the living, breathing document stuff, and looking to other countries case law to decide?

    Radical eh? So stay on point, what is Sessions worried about if it won't change the balance? And don't have to say to ourselves as conservatives that we argued for Bush to be able to appoint his ideological picks? If Kagan is dangerous as a progressive, then it only goes to prove how Obama is trying to portray himself as a moderate, while governing, and appointing from the extreme fringe.


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    "Sticking to the intent of the Constitution?" Now that's funny. Alito and Roberts ALWAYS vote in favor of the corporation when the issue is the individual v. the corporation. They ALWAYS vote in favor of the governmet when the issue is an individual v. the Government.

    Where in the Constitution does it define a Corporation as a person? So much for that "strict constructionist" argument. I guess you could say that they strictly follow the intent of the Constitution when it fits their position (but you could say the same about the left as well).
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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The 2nd Amendment barely survived a 5 to 4 vote. I would say that Kagan is a very dangerous nominee.

    There's something very wrong with one of our most basic rights is that close to no longer being one of our most basic rights.
    How can you bring yourself to make such an outlandish accusation? Where's the evidence? Your basic rights still exsist! You still have the freedom to say what you want, go where you want, do pretty much anything you want, dress how you like, eat wherever you prefer, obtain any kind of job without the need for a work permit (unless you're an illegal alien), obtain just about any kind of weapon that's legally permissable to purchase, own and carry under the law, worship as you please.

    What basic right has been taken away from you, apdst? WHAT!?!

    It's this kind of hyper-partisian BS that just drives me crazy!!! Enough already!!!

    To the thread topic...

    Every once in a while even the Judiciary needs to have a balance of power within its ranks. The confirmation of Sotomeyer and Kagen helps to even out things within the Judicial Branch somewhat. It's been mostly Conservative for a very long time and until the recent SC ruling to overturn campaign financial contribution from corporations, I really didn't have a problem with the decisions made by that judicial body. I do believe the President has the right afforded him under the Constitution to appoint whomever he sees fit to sit on the SC. It's kind of like what happens with Congress from time to time in that every once in a while one side of the political spectrum holds the reigns until their time is done. Only problem with SC nominees is that once appointed they sit for life! So, a "replacement" isn't nominated unless and until one dies or retires (usually due to health reasons). And when that does happen nobody really knows for sure which side of the political spectrum the next President will be on.

    The nation can only hope that when the time comes the next SC nominee will be someone who will render a decision moreso to uphold the law rather than merely imposse their moral stamp on it or rule from within their own political ideology. To that, I think both Sotomeyer and Kagan are very capable of rendering decisions within the spirit of the law.
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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh pul-lease......I would bet that most conservatives themselves would label Alito and Roberts as very conservative and to the fr right. That's why they like them.
    At least TRY to be honest.
    As for Kagan....have you been following the confirmation or looked at her record? There is a reason why people on the left are not happy with her selection....but that would require that you actually look at and study some of the facts.
    far right would be

    1) stating that the federal government has absolutely no power to regulate small arms or holding that the expansion of the commerce clause was unconstitutional--however in Heller and McDonald, the power to regulate small arms was assumed to some extent even by those who understood it is clearly an individual right to keep and bear arms

    2) far right would be holding that the war on drugs-especially weed grown in California and consumed in california-is unconstitutional because the commerce clause did not grant the federal government that power/ Yet the USSC upheld such bans

    3) Far right would be holding that most of the new deal legislation should be treated the same way ND legislation was treated in Schechner Poultry

    4) Far right would be holding that the federal government does not have the power to tell private businesses who they have to serve or that they have to treat women or blacks or people over 40 the same as other employees. Yet the Court in Burlington Northern and Santa Fe RR v White expanded employee rights under Title VII

    the Roberts Court is moderately statist Hardly "far right"



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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    How can you bring yourself to make such an outlandish accusation? Where's the evidence? Your basic rights still exsist! You still have the freedom to say what you want, go where you want, do pretty much anything you want, dress how you like, eat wherever you prefer, obtain any kind of job without the need for a work permit (unless you're an illegal alien), obtain just about any kind of weapon that's legally permissable to purchase, own and carry under the law, worship as you please.

    What basic right has been taken away from you, apdst? WHAT!?!

    It's this kind of hyper-partisian BS that just drives me crazy!!! Enough already!!!

    To the thread topic...

    Every once in a while even the Judiciary needs to have a balance of power within its ranks. The confirmation of Sotomeyer and Kagen helps to even out things within the Judicial Branch somewhat. It's been mostly Conservative for a very long time and until the recent SC ruling to overturn campaign financial contribution from corporations, I really didn't have a problem with the decisions made by that judicial body. I do believe the President has the right afforded him under the Constitution to appoint whomever he sees fit to sit on the SC. It's kind of like what happens with Congress from time to time in that every once in a while one side of the political spectrum holds the reigns until their time is done. Only problem with SC nominees is that once appointed they sit for life! So, a "replacement" isn't nominated unless and until one dies or retires (usually due to health reasons). And when that does happen nobody really knows for sure which side of the political spectrum the next President will be on.

    The nation can only hope that when the time comes the next SC nominee will be someone who will render a decision moreso to uphold the law rather than merely imposse their moral stamp on it or rule from within their own political ideology. To that, I think both Sotomeyer and Kagan are very capable of rendering decisions within the spirit of the law.
    you don't read very well. He said that basic right came close to being destroyed. Quotomayor and the three other haters of American values claimed that there is no individual right to keep and bear arms. That is disgusting. Just because these 4 couldn't eliminate that right doesn't mean we should stop watching what those four do



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    Re: Elena Kagan news: Sen. Jeff Sessions calls Kagan a 'dangerous' nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    "Sticking to the intent of the Constitution?" Now that's funny. Alito and Roberts ALWAYS vote in favor of the corporation when the issue is the individual v. the corporation. They ALWAYS vote in favor of the governmet when the issue is an individual v. the Government.
    In every single case? Hmm.

    Can you show cases where the law supported the individual and they ruled against the individual in contradiction to the law? Cite them. Explain how they got wrong. Do it in detail. You're a lawyer; this should be no problem.

    (Not that the Heller and DC Handgun cases aren't enough to prove you wrong conclusively, anyway.)
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