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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Actually, remember that the Democrats passed the law before Reagan signed it -- somethign he shouldn't have done, but it isn't as simple as saying Reagan gave them amnesty... no president has that solitary power...
    Reagan was a real president, who worked with democrats, and did not say screw everything democrat, and did not say, I refuse to work with the other side of the isle. Unfortunately, democrats and GOP will not agree on anything, so we will continue to squabble instead of fixing our problems. Too bad we don't have more Reagans or JFK, etc., or Senators like Barry Goldwater that could compromise. This country lacks leadership from both sides. We let Rush, Hannity, MSNBC, FOX, Palin, and Beck lead us, SAD.
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Well, the 2 "hispanic Americans" that I used to work with want the illegals gone, but both of those were college educated and had very good jobs and paid a lot of taxes that got misused to support the illegals........
    Beats me why the less well off hispanics want the illegals here, they are competing for the lesser skilled jobs...
    Hell two latinos, wow, that is enough to make an assumption about all latinos. Yeah, only college educated latinos want to see illegal immigration gone. Did you know that in California, in the early 1900's immigrants from Mexico, created gangs, that are still in place today, to protect themselve from being attacked by the latino americans who did not want them here.

    Did you know, many latino americans support sheriff joe (I am not one), but many do. Did you know that not all latino americas, educated and uneducated, don't think alike. Wow, a revelation.

    Let me give you some more facts. During the demostrations on 7-29, there were many Anglos protesting 1070.
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

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    Reagan was a real president, who worked with democrats, and did not say screw everything democrat, and did not say, I refuse to work with the other side of the isle.
    The refusal to work across isles in this I think stems from a very simple concept. Securing our borders. Reagan ofcourse signed on to the Amnesty of the illegals at that time, however it is often little reported that this was supposed to hinge on securing our border so that we didn't have the mess we do today. Reagan was promised that by demo's that knew full well that they wouldn't carry that out, largely because it hurts their voting block.


    Unfortunately, democrats and GOP will not agree on anything, so we will continue to squabble instead of fixing our problems.
    If demo's from the top down, weren't being so damned dishonest these days there might be things that could be worked out. But one can only be lied to so many times before we show them the hand.

    Too bad we don't have more Reagans or JFK, etc., or Senators like Barry Goldwater that could compromise.
    It's commin' brother. It took a Jimmah Carter to give us Reagan. I think Obama will spark a return to more basic adherence of the Constitution provided we can undo the damage that these Marxists have wrought.


    This country lacks leadership from both sides. We let Rush, Hannity, MSNBC, FOX, Palin, and Beck lead us, SAD.
    You know, even if you lump ALL talk radio conservatives, ALL conservative news outlets together, you still get less than a quarter of the news out there. The problem is not a Limbaugh, Beck, or Hannity. The problem is that these demo's don't like the light shinning on them. Problem is that we have figured out their tactics and playbook, so they are less effective in duping the country.


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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    j-mac not slamming you, so don't take it that way, just responding.

    j-mac;1058889386]The refusal to work across isles in this I think stems from a very simple concept. Securing our borders. Reagan ofcourse signed on to the Amnesty of the illegals at that time, however it is often little reported that this was supposed to hinge on securing our border so that we didn't have the mess we do today. Reagan was promised that by demo's that knew full well that they wouldn't carry that out, largely because it hurts their voting block.
    And yet, Bush and GW Bush and the GOP controlled congress did nothing to fix it or control the border. And, it sounds like it will never happen because as soon as this gets out of the lime light, we will go back to business as usual. Why, the GOP is afraid of losing those latinos that are GOP, and don't kid yourself, their are many. And, the democrats don't want to make people responsible. I say screw it, fix the border, no matter who you piss off. I am a latino, please piss me off. Just fix it. sorry for the rant.

    If demo's from the top down, weren't being so damned dishonest these days there might be things that could be worked out. But one can only be lied to so many times before we show them the hand.
    I don't agree with non cooperation between the top Dem's and the top GOP. BUT, the GOP cannot whine about anything, they put this one upon themselves by deciding from the beginning to OPPOSE everything and chastizing (sic) anyone who supported their opposition. So, the GOP needs to be honest also. Two wrongs don't make it right. What we (you and I) need to understand is that this is business as usual, and any minority party claims it.

    It's commin' brother. It took a Jimmah Carter to give us Reagan. I think Obama will spark a return to more basic adherence of the Constitution provided we can undo the damage that these Marxists have wrought.
    Yeah, and it took GW Bush and the GOP controlled congress to get what we have now. What is sad, is that this will be like a broken record, a GOP Prez and Congress will come back, and they won't fix anything either, and then we'll be back to square one, they will get voted out, and we'll get some more spineless policito's. j-mac, you and I need to be in charge and fix everything and say f it.



    You know, even if you lump ALL talk radio conservatives, ALL conservative news outlets together, you still get less than a quarter of the news out there. The problem is not a Limbaugh, Beck, or Hannity. The problem is that these demo's don't like the light shinning on them. Problem is that we have figured out their tactics and playbook, so they are less effective in duping the country.

    Don't just blame this on the demo's, the GOP hated it whenever anyone brought up the duping we got from GW Bush and company. The truth hurts anyone. Now if we could non ranters to give us just facts, I'd be happy. The problem, IMHO, is that to many people rely on someone to give them their opinion. They should research and learn how to think for themselves.
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    j-mac not slamming you, so don't take it that way, just responding.



    And yet, Bush and GW Bush and the GOP controlled congress did nothing to fix it or control the border. And, it sounds like it will never happen because as soon as this gets out of the lime light, we will go back to business as usual. Why, the GOP is afraid of losing those latinos that are GOP, and don't kid yourself, their are many. And, the democrats don't want to make people responsible. I say screw it, fix the border, no matter who you piss off. I am a latino, please piss me off. Just fix it. sorry for the rant.



    I don't agree with non cooperation between the top Dem's and the top GOP. BUT, the GOP cannot whine about anything, they put this one upon themselves by deciding from the beginning to OPPOSE everything and chastizing (sic) anyone who supported their opposition. So, the GOP needs to be honest also. Two wrongs don't make it right. What we (you and I) need to understand is that this is business as usual, and any minority party claims it.



    Yeah, and it took GW Bush and the GOP controlled congress to get what we have now. What is sad, is that this will be like a broken record, a GOP Prez and Congress will come back, and they won't fix anything either, and then we'll be back to square one, they will get voted out, and we'll get some more spineless policito's. j-mac, you and I need to be in charge and fix everything and say f it.






    Don't just blame this on the demo's, the GOP hated it whenever anyone brought up the duping we got from GW Bush and company. The truth hurts anyone. Now if we could non ranters to give us just facts, I'd be happy. The problem, IMHO, is that to many people rely on someone to give them their opinion. They should research and learn how to think for themselves.
    I have to say you made some good points here and your right, I am with ya and want to piss people off, something needs to be done and it is up to the voter to make sure it happens. That said I am afraid nothing will become of this, the American people have a very short attention span when things get back to normal economically speaking.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Reagan was a real president, who worked with democrats, and did not say screw everything democrat
    Yes, and in working with democrats he got screwed, his legacy tarnished, because of that mistake. The bill regarding immigration was supposed to be mildly "comprehensive", supposedly helping to create and enforce laws that would stem the tide of illegal imigration and keep the situation from happening again. Not surprisingly, the thing that happens instantly...amnesty...that the Democrats wanted happened. The more heavily enforced immigration policies, the new more stringent rules that were followed, etc? Yeah, those never really came to pass in any meaningful way.

    You want to know why Republicans and their constituents may not want to get on board with "comprehensive" reform? Because we've been burned by the bull**** lies of "Give us amnesty instantly and we'll give you stronger enforcement" before. Fool us once and all that jazz.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, and in working with democrats he got screwed, his legacy tarnished, because of that mistake. The bill regarding immigration was supposed to be mildly "comprehensive", supposedly helping to create and enforce laws that would stem the tide of illegal imigration and keep the situation from happening again. Not surprisingly, the thing that happens instantly...amnesty...that the Democrats wanted happened. The more heavily enforced immigration policies, the new more stringent rules that were followed, etc? Yeah, those never really came to pass in any meaningful way.

    You want to know why Republicans and their constituents may not want to get on board with "comprehensive" reform? Because we've been burned by the bull**** lies of "Give us amnesty instantly and we'll give you stronger enforcement" before. Fool us once and all that jazz.
    And, as stated above, the GOP was in control of the prez and congress for a number of years and nothing was done. He was not tarnished, he was a leader. Tarnished is not doing NOTHING. Still another excuse for nothing being done. Also, not a slam, but one of the tenents of the GOP is protect our country. Why wasn't the border secured? Hell, we know why the dem's don't do it, but why not the GOP? They had control from 2000 to 2006. See the partisan bs is what stops everything. Screw that, get if fixed. We are being invaded in AZ.
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So If Im mexican I should deal with having to possibly prove my citizenship everywhere I go possibly. Even if I were legal. At the risk of ending up detained for not having papers?

    I dont care about catching illegals that much. Its the legals that may suffer due to this that bothers me.
    You are not going to have to prove your citizenship EVERYWHERE you go. Stop exaggerating. And yes, you need to put up with the possibility of being inconvenienced at times but unless you are doing things like driving an old beat up pickup truck on the road with a dozen latinos in the back you probably won't be. They are not going to stop a latino walking through the airport with his brieface on his way to a business trip just because he is latino. Sorry, illegals aren't walking around with an "ILLEGAL" stamp on their foreheads. You can't expect perfect judgement on the law officers part. You, like a lot of people who want to protect illegal activity, just want the criteria to be so narrowly focused that the law cannot be enforced.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    And, as stated above, the GOP was in control of the prez and congress for a number of years and nothing was done. He was not tarnished, he was a leader. Tarnished is not doing NOTHING. Still another excuse for nothing being done. Also, not a slam, but one of the tenents of the GOP is protect our country. Why wasn't the border secured? Hell, we know why the dem's don't do it, but why not the GOP? They had control from 2000 to 2006. See the partisan bs is what stops everything. Screw that, get if fixed. We are being invaded in AZ.
    I hear you, but you're assuming I am actually complimentary of the Republicans and their stay of power in 2000-2006. Immigration is an issue I've fervently unhappy with Bush about and was vocal about during his time in power. I was continually upset with the republican controlled congress with regards to abandoning conservative principles.

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