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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So If Im mexican I should deal with having to possibly prove my citizenship everywhere I go possibly. Even if I were legal. At the risk of ending up detained for not having papers?

    I dont care about catching illegals that much. Its the legals that may suffer due to this that bothers me.
    Your question assumes the police have nothing more to do than to wait for a dark skinned latino to go by and ask for his papers.

    I can assure you they have other things to do and they will be doing them. This would just let them ask the question and do something about it if they got the answer that the person was not in the country legally.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, the ability of racist Arizona cops to do THIS was struck down. A trucker was stopped in Arizona, and had his driver's license in order. However, he was not carrying his birth certificate with him, so he was thrown in jail. Who the hell carries their birth certificates with them at all times?

    That trucker is an AMERICAN CITIZEN, who was born in Fresno, California. What Arizonans want to do smacks of South African apartheid. I know I am not supposed to judge people by where they are from, but I can't help feeling that the majority of Arizonans who support that law, and most of them do, would have made outstanding German citizens in the 1930's. Anyways, his rights were clearly violated. When a state law enables violations like this to happen, then it is not only the right of the Federal government to step in, but the duty of the Feds to step in.
    I would say this trucker has a hell of a law suit.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

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    Good ruling. The thing is, that if they checked the legal status of everyone, I'd be fine with this law. But the whole reasonable suspicion thing, is bull. It might as well say if you catch any person who looks latino check them to see if they are legal.
    The checking of everybody is done when you apply for a drivers license or an ID card, a legal state issued card, that way the police only have to deal with people that do not have that.

    If that means the majority of the people in their area are latino that don't have that card, then they should go ahead and check their status.

    So now are you OK wiuth the law since everybody IS check for legal status, just not on the street?

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    I believe yesterday, an article came out that stated the cartels had severed the head of several victims. Severed heads discovered in Mexico state - UPI.com
    This happens every day where I am in Mexico, and I am not at the border.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Good ruling. The thing is, that if they checked the legal status of everyone, I'd be fine with this law. But the whole reasonable suspicion thing, is bull. It might as well say if you catch any person who looks latino check them to see if they are legal.
    Oh jesus christ. Go do some research.

    Reasonable Suspicion is NOTHING NEW. Every time you are pulled over by the police on the roadways, or temporarily detained by the police elsewhere, the standard needed for them to have the authority to detain you is...... REASONABLE SUSPICION!

    This standard is nothing new to those who actually enforce the law. Its these god damned armchair legal scholars who don't know jack about law enforcement/legal terminology that freak the **** out and make up their own idea of what a term means.

    So, if you are a person who is against this based upon the phrase, "reasonable suspicion"... here is a hint, go actually learn what the hell that means, and where/when it is used, and go surprise yourself. Don't make **** up as you go along....

    ARRRGGG!!!
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I don't see how anyone can honestly say that the AZ law won't lead to racial profiling, considering where AZ is geographically located and that illegals tend to be hispanic.

    I would actually find it to be more honest and realistic if someone just came out and said, "We SHOULD be profiling hispanics to see if they are legal." I mean, it would be unPC, but at least that's the honest truth of what the law makers are beating around the bush about. But no, we're just going to pretend that it's an innocent law for the security of America and we're just going to catch people as they commit other crimes.

    The level of bull****ting here is just off the scale. I agree that enforcement of the law should be suspended until the Fed case goes through.
    So...... because you can make assumptions as to what law enforcement MIGHT do, even if they are violating state and federal law by doing so, then that makes a law bad?
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Don't you realize that one can commit a crime without being in a car.
    If they have committed a crime, then they go to jail.
    If they go to jail, they fall under the 287g program, authorized/controlled by ........................................... THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Oh jesus christ. Go do some research.

    Reasonable Suspicion is NOTHING NEW. Every time you are pulled over by the police on the roadways, or temporarily detained by the police elsewhere, the standard needed for them to have the authority to detain you is...... REASONABLE SUSPICION!

    This standard is nothing new to those who actually enforce the law. Its these god damned armchair legal scholars who don't know jack about law enforcement/legal terminology that freak the **** out and make up their own idea of what a term means.

    So, if you are a person who is against this based upon the phrase, "reasonable suspicion"... here is a hint, go actually learn what the hell that means, and where/when it is used, and go surprise yourself. Don't make **** up as you go along....

    ARRRGGG!!!
    I know what reasonable suspicion means, but answer me this. What would be reasonable suspicion for being an illegal alien, how does one look like they are here illegally?
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    ....shouldn't Police officers have more important things to do rather than bring in Jorge because he doesn't have his papers?
    Ahhh the old "more important things to do" argument I always hear from folks.

    What would those more important things to do be?
    Catch Murderers and Rapists of course!
    But.... wait a minute.... thats not how it works.
    Patrol Officers respond and do initial investigation on a felony. The rest is done by detectives, whose job it is to do the advanced investigation.
    The vast majority of all rapes occur between two people who know each other, and usually indoors, usually with a phone call later from a sobbing female to 911 which sparks the investigation. Are police supposed to have a "spidey sense tingling" and go unlawfully kicking in doors to private residences and catching rapists? I think not.
    What Patrol Officers deal with more often than not are dependant upon the area they work in. In inner city areas its responding to citizen calls for service, and working the problem areas of violent crime, keeping a presence. In suburban areas, its responding to citizen calls for service, enforcing traffic laws to keep aggressive driving suburbanites from killing each other, and driving around neighborhoods bored as **** trying to scare off potential burglars.

    Jorge would usually fall into the citizen calls for service category, in that Jorge was either the male abusor in a Domestic Violence call, or the drunk asshole pissing on the building behind the 7/11, or something else of that type, maybe he was loitering on a corner in the inner city where folks are known to loiter for drug sale/purchase and an Officer decided to make contact with him, maybe do a field interview with him for those purposes. The fact is, there are about a billion reasons why Jorge could come into contact with the police, ZERO of them being, "cuz he wuz a damned mexi-can"

    Get all that TV bull**** out of your heads, that is NOT even close to what policing really is.
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I know what reasonable suspicion means, but answer me this. What would be reasonable suspicion for being an illegal alien, how does one look like they are here illegally?
    WTF Do you mean "how does one look like".
    It isn't about physical ****ing appearances. Or do you wish for it to be to support your preconceived idea that this is just racial profiling?

    Why don't drop the ignorant ass loaded questions and respond in a way that makes me think you actually care about the exchange of ideas instead of just bickering.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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