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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It affecting a disproportionate amount of Hispanic people than white people != racial profiling.

    Racial Profiling is taking action based on the notion that someone is of [X] race and therefore that is reason to do whatever you're going to do.

    Reasonable Suspicion requires the officer be able to articulate the reasonings behind their action, stating "He looked mexican" is not a legal reasoning.
    However..... he couldn't speak English, he was driving without a license, and couldn't tell me where he lived is "probable cause".
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So If Im mexican I should deal with having to possibly prove my citizenship everywhere I go possibly. Even if I were legal. At the risk of ending up detained for not having papers?
    That is all already required by federal law. All legal aliens are required at all times to carry their documentation on their person and present it when asked. Any federal agent can ask for it, and within 50 miles of the border, they need no cause whatsoever. They need no reason to stop anyone. They can just do it, period.

    So, yeah, federal law is very much in jeopardy here, if the AZ law is struck down on the basis of "racial profiling."
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That is all already required by federal law. All legal aliens are required at all times to carry their documentation on their person and present it when asked. Any federal agent can ask for it, and within 50 miles of the border, they need no cause whatsoever. They need no reason to stop anyone. They can just do it, period.

    So, yeah, federal law is very much in jeopardy here, if the AZ law is struck down on the basis of "racial profiling."
    Would you link the federal law that supports this?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    What kind of country are we now that police can arrest you for and illegal action, say, DUI, but then they can't do any research to find out if you're in their state illegally? Makes no sense whatsoever.
    Thats not even close to being factually accurate.....but you made a great effort to distort and propogandize.
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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Thats not even close to being factually accurate.....but you made a great effort to distort and propogandize.
    Maybe you can explain what the judge's intention were when she placed an injunction on this portion of the Arizona law.

    to "make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or arrested" if the officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person is in the United States illegally.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    The way I see it is this. Most people want to control our borders to stop foreign invaders but some don't. The ones who don't, will use any technicality or loophole they can find to support their position. But, at the end of the day, truth be known, they just don't want immigration control. They want our borders to be open to Mexico. We don't see Canadians whining about this.

    IF the federal gov't DID enforce the laws already on the books, the open-border people would just turn their anger from AZ to the Fed. They just don't WANT immigration control, pure and simple.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Thats not even close to being factually accurate.....but you made a great effort to distort and propogandize.
    Explain, please.


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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    However..... he couldn't speak English, he was driving without a license, and couldn't tell me where he lived is "probable cause".
    No, its reasonable suspicion.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    While I understand the problem the State of Arizona is facing concerning illegal aliens within their state, I think the problem the federal government has with this law is it oversteps its bounds. For example, it's one thing if the law limited its reach to the State of Arizona, but if you read the law there are various places within it where aspects of enforcement covers the "United States". Section 1, third sentence:

    The provisions of this act are intended to work together to discourage and deter the unlawful entry and presence of aliens and economic activity by persons unlawfully present in the United States.
    Had that portion of the law instead read "...unlawfully present in the state of Arizona" I don't think anyone would have a problem with it because the purpose of the law is to deter illegal aliens from entering their state, not the United States. As such, the law overstepped it's bounds.

    There are other such provisions just like that one with AZ's immirgration law. Nonetheless, I want to make it clear - I don't have a problem with AZ or ANY STATE WITHIN THE UNION desiring to protect their boarders (statelines) from illegal entry of undocumented aliens. I just think if they're going to make a law covering the issue, they need to limit their reach to within their state, and not write such laws with such wide reaching authority they simply do not have. That, I believe, was part of the problem the Obama Administration had with AZ's immigration law. But I digress...

    If government did a much better job of protecting our boarders maybe AZ wouldn't have to pass laws to do the job the fed should be doing. Still, I see both sides of this issue and both AZ and the fed are just as right as they are wrong.

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    Re: Judge blocks part of controversial Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Bull****, a judge disagrees with your racist based policies, its against the law and got struck down.
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