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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I am forced to disagree Harry. It's not that there's no good reason.

    It's the fact it's pretty much impossible. Who's gonna prosecute the most powerful country in the world, who provides the most funding to the international governing body...

    Not to mention, WHO do your prosecute. Now I may believe that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld deserve AT THE VERY LEAST a hearing. I know it is pretty much impossible even if laws were broken to get any kind of justice.
    That's why there is no good reason.
    Morally, I'm sure we could come up with plenty of good reasons.
    Realistically, ain't gonna happen.

    Remember the story a few days ago about the leader of Sudan having a warrant for his arrest.
    Chad was supposed to arrest him, they didn't and no one will do anything about it.

    What about the short war between Russia and Georgia.
    If Russia is found to be in the wrong, no one will do anything about that either.

    There are lots more examples like Pol Pot retaining a U.N. seat until his death in the 90's.
    World justice is a matter of convenience.
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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not trying to be a jerk but that is the world.

    Entanglements of convenience and all that.
    There's no good reason for anyone to attempt to prosecute us over the war in Iraq, right or wrong.
    Ideals get a backseat.
    Oh, you mistake me. I don't believe anyone is going to prosecute us. Don't believe that for a second.

    But, we should be frank and call it what it was. We broke our agreements. If someone could prosecute us, it would be a violation of law. And doing so, breaking our agreements, has to hurt us down the road. Just as it has to hurt others who refuse to deal honestly and with honor. By tilting windmills, I simply mean we call something what it is. No acceptance of the propaganda.

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Oh, you mistake me. I don't believe anyone is going to prosecute us. Don't believe that for a second.

    But, we should be frank and call it what it was. We broke our agreements. If someone could prosecute us, it would be a violation of law. And doing so, breaking our agreements, has to hurt us down the road. Just as it has to hurt others who refuse to deal honestly and with honor. By tilting windmills, I simply mean we call something what it is. No acceptance of the propaganda.
    I just don't believe that there is some sort of real world law.
    It's mostly fluff, only enforced when it is convenient.
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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I just don't believe that there is some sort of real world law.
    It's mostly fluff, only enforced when it is convenient.
    Only enforceable when those who can enforce want it enforced. But when a bully beats up the sheriff and runs amok on a town, we don't say it wasn't illegal just because no one could stop it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's why there is no good reason.
    Morally, I'm sure we could come up with plenty of good reasons.
    Realistically, ain't gonna happen.

    Remember the story a few days ago about the leader of Sudan having a warrant for his arrest.
    Chad was supposed to arrest him, they didn't and no one will do anything about it.

    What about the short war between Russia and Georgia.
    If Russia is found to be in the wrong, no one will do anything about that either.

    There are lots more examples like Pol Pot retaining a U.N. seat until his death in the 90's.
    World justice is a matter of convenience.
    My friend. There are few words of truth spoken in this forum, this was one of them. However there is one point of contention I have with what you said. It was the United States fault that Pol Pots regime retained that seat in the United Nations. But other than that, you are most correct.

    However. Correct as you are. If your country could put aside politics, and hold account their leaders for their failings and deceitful actions without politicizing it too much, you would truly be a shining light in the world for all to remember. I believed it 7 years ago and I believe it now. Bush and his administration lied, and people believed it.

    However, like you I am a realist. I know what has to be done. But like you, I know what will be done:

    **** All

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    My friend. There are few words of truth spoken in this forum, this was one of them. However there is one point of contention I have with what you said. It was the United States fault that Pol Pots regime retained that seat in the United Nations. But other than that, you are most correct.
    Oh I know, we like to pick and choose our evil.
    Pol pot was better than the Vietnamese for some reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    However. Correct as you are. If your country could put aside politics, and hold account their leaders for their failings and deceitful actions without politicizing it too much, you would truly be a shining light in the world for all to remember. I believed it 7 years ago and I believe it now. Bush and his administration lied, and people believed it.

    However, like you I am a realist. I know what has to be done. But like you, I know what will be done:

    **** All
    That's usually why I don't get into the discussions on war.
    In the end, whoever wins will be right by law, whether or not they were really right.
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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's usually why I don't get into the discussions on war.
    In the end, whoever wins will be right by law, whether or not they were really right.
    History will be written by the victors - Winston Churchill

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Does this put an end to the debate?
    Not at all.
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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Hans Brix? Oh no! Oh, herro. Great to see you again, Hans! Hans, Hans, Hans! We've been frew this a dozen times. The war wasn't irregal, OK Hans? Now, stand to your reft. A rittle more. Good!

    Okay, now that I got that out of the way. Wonderful for you to feel that way Mr. Blix. However while you may have a higher Q rating and respect of some in the international community, your opinion on the matter is no more relevant nor "case closing" than Bob from Kansas City's.

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hans Brix? Oh no! Oh, herro. Great to see you again, Hans! Hans, Hans, Hans! We've been frew this a dozen times. The war wasn't irregal, OK Hans? Now, stand to your reft. A rittle more. Good!

    Okay, now that I got that out of the way. Wonderful for you to feel that way Mr. Blix. However while you may have a higher Q rating and respect of some in the international community, your opinion on the matter is no more relevant nor "case closing" than Bob from Kansas City's.
    Still boils down to defining illegal. If you can't make me means it was legal, OK. If legal is defined by adhering to the agreements you sign, then it was illegal. In any case, no one can enforce the law here.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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