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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes
    Snopes confirmed that these quotes were real, and then provided their contexts. You can see with many of them that Democrats did indeed believe that Saddam had or most likely had WMDs. I shouldn't have used a partisan right wing source for the quotes, and I mussed apologize for that. However, many Democrats were concerned about Saddam along with many in the international community. I can remember which nations believed that Saddam had WMDs or most likely possessed them, but I am pretty sure they included the UK, Australia, and other nations that aided us with their troops. If this war is truly illegal, than should the nations who have helped us also be charged with war crimes?
    Read it. Yes they said it, which makes that part true. But keep reading. Pay attention the "but" part concerning how many of them are out of context and not in support of going to war.

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course they can't enforce it, but that doesn't mean it is illegal. Those are two very different issues. Now, does our word mean anything? When we sign agreements, does it count? And if our word is meaningless, who should trust us?
    No it doesn't count.

    There is nothing anyone can do, it's meaningless fluff.
    Legally is nonexistent when it can't be enforced.
    That is the real world.
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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No it doesn't count.

    There is nothing anyone can do, it's meaningless fluff.
    Legally is nonexistent when it can't be enforced.
    That is the real world.
    So, any bully who can get away with it is above the law. Noted.

    Now, I asked a few more questions.

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, any bully who can get away with it is above the law. Noted.

    Now, I asked a few more questions.
    There have been plenty of bullies that get away with anything they want.
    No one does anything about them.

    Our word is meaningless, yes.
    When we sign agreements it counts unless we don't want it to.

    There is no real 100% trust, it's an issue by issue thing.
    Anyone that believes otherwise is delusional.
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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There have been plenty of bullies that get away with anything they want.
    No one does anything about them.

    Our word is meaningless, yes.
    When we sign agreements it counts unless we don't want it to.

    There is no real 100% trust, it's an issue by issue thing.
    Anyone that believes otherwise is delusional.
    How honorable. There is no reason to amke any agreements with us. And that is the lesson for Iran. The law means nothing, you simply need a nuke.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How honorable. There is no reason to amke any agreements with us. And that is the lesson for Iran. The law means nothing, you simply need a nuke.
    You're catching on.

    There is no honor among the leadership of the world.
    It is not solely limited to us by any means.
    I didn't say it was ok but you, nor anyone else, will do anything about it.
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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You're catching on.

    There is no honor among the leadership of the world.
    It is not solely limited to us by any means.
    I didn't say it was ok but you, nor anyone else, will do anything about it.
    Now that may be. But no reason to accept it. Nothing work with tilting windmills.

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Now that may be. But no reason to accept it. Nothing work with tilting windmills.
    Not trying to be a jerk but that is the world.

    Entanglements of convenience and all that.
    There's no good reason for anyone to attempt to prosecute us over the war in Iraq, right or wrong.
    Ideals get a backseat.
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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not trying to be a jerk but that is the world.

    Entanglements of convenience and all that.
    There's no good reason for anyone to attempt to prosecute us over the war in Iraq, right or wrong.
    Ideals get a backseat.
    I am forced to disagree Harry. It's not that there's no good reason.

    It's the fact it's pretty much impossible. Who's gonna prosecute the most powerful country in the world, who provides the most funding to the international governing body...

    Not to mention, WHO do your prosecute. Now I may believe that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld deserve AT THE VERY LEAST a hearing. I know it is pretty much impossible even if laws were broken to get any kind of justice.

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    Re: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Kind of what many people always maintained...

    BBC News - Iraq inquiry: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

    ...an illegal war against an illegal regime in which no one emerged with their ethics intact. Does this put an end to the debate?
    Well...hell...THATS what we were waiting for? Hans Blix to declare it illegal???

    Hell...I guess those SEVENTEEN UN resolutions...they were...what...all wrong minded? Inappropriate? Why do you suppose they had to pass 17 seperate UN resolutions? Could it be because Saddam Hussein refused to comply with them? Oh of COURSE not...Hans Blix says so...

    Every democrat in congress including Clinton, Gore, Madeline Albright, ALL said he had em. the first UN inspection teams said he had em. the question that he refused to answer is what HAPPENED to them.

    Now MAYBE this is why Blix and his band of clowns couldnt find WMDs...

    William Cohen: It becomes all the more important now that the inspectors on the ground have been evicted as such to have some oversight capability from the air. The U-2 provides that capability.
    For example, I can show a number of slides here to indicate what has taken place following the Persian Gulf War when Iraq was driven out of Kuwait.
    The United Nations decided that he must get rid of all of his biological and chemical weapons.
    Now we discovered — the United Nations discovered — that he had immense amounts on hand.
    We discovered, for example, that this is a facility that was producing — that was, in fact, producing — biological and chemical weapons that had evaded the initial discovery by the inspectors.
    Now once that was discovered with the help of overhead capability—
    Cokie Roberts: And this was just last year?
    William Cohen: This was back in 1996

    "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."
    April 2003

    And lets remember...final authority Hans Blix aside...Bush cited Iraqs refusal to comply with UN resolutions...SEVENTEEN of them.

    Oh yes...this is COMPLETELY settled.

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