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    Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

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    Quote(The Massachusetts Legislature has approved a new law intended to bypass the Electoral College system and ensure that the winner of the presidential election is determined by the national popular vote.)

    Do you think that the time has come whereby the Electoral College system should be abandoned?

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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    Quote(The Massachusetts Legislature has approved a new law intended to bypass the Electoral College system and ensure that the winner of the presidential election is determined by the national popular vote.)

    Do you think that the time has come whereby the Electoral College system should be abandoned?
    Nope, if Mass wants to throw it's votes away to the mob, let it.

    The EC is there to protect smaller states and to keep politicvs national, not limited to high population areas. There are very good reasons for the EC, and people that want a direct democracy fail to realize we don't live in a Democracy, we live in a Representative Republic.

    I can't wait till a Republican wins the popular vote, but loses the Mass vote, you just watch this rule get ignored.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    A state can choose its electors by reading tea leaves if the legislature thereof so chooses. But this scheme is stupid. It'll lead to even more haphazard, unrepresentative, unfair distribution of electors.

    Imagine telling all the people of MA that their state's electoral votes are ALL going to the Republican candidate because more people voted Republican nationwide, even though MA voted 2 to 1 for the Democrat.

    Then tell them that other states which voted Democrat are sending their electoral votes in FOR that Democrat. There will be riots.

    What complete, unfettered idiocy.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Nope, if Mass wants to throw it's votes away to the mob, let it.

    The EC is there to protect smaller states and to keep politicvs national, not limited to high population areas. There are very good reasons for the EC, and people that want a direct democracy fail to realize we don't live in a Democracy, we live in a Representative Republic.

    I can't wait till a Republican wins the popular vote, but loses the Mass vote, you just watch this rule get ignored.
    The way the president is elected, either by a national popular vote, or by the electoral college has nothing to do with a division between a Democracy and a Representative Republic. The constituion guaruntee's a representative republic form of government and does not carry those ideas over to the election of the President.

    Also, the EC does not protect small states, it greatly weakens their role in the election. Candidates will campaign and pay attention to battle ground states leaving the vast majority of smaller states completely out of the picture. I don't know what you mean when you say it will keep politics "national". An EC does very opposite of keeping politics "national" as candidates focus on battle ground states, not a national picture.

    Also it should be noted that they are not alone in this decision:

    Illinois, New Jersey, Hawaii, Maryland, and Washington have already approved the legislation...
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    The way the president is elected, either by a national popular vote, or by the electoral college has nothing to do with a division between a Democracy and a Representative Republic. The constituion guaruntee's a representative republic form of government and does not carry those ideas over to the election of the President.

    Also, the EC does not protect small states, it greatly weakens their role in the election. Candidates will campaign and pay attention to battle ground states leaving the vast majority of smaller states completely out of the picture. I don't know what you mean when you say it will keep politics "national". An EC does very opposite of keeping politics "national" as candidates focus on battle ground states, not a national picture.
    Popular vote doesn't fix this.
    It means that California and New York have the biggest choice in deciding who becomes president.

    Pretty unrepresentative if you ask me.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Popular vote doesn't fix this.
    It means that California and New York have the biggest choice in deciding who becomes president.

    Pretty unrepresentative if you ask me.
    Actually I don't believe you are correct. California and New York both have very high electoral points, and they are all awarded to a candidate because those individual states adhere to the EC. If there was a national popular vote, it would make the large population of Republicans in California and New York much more relevant.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Once again, the elections do not have to fall in line with the idea of a representative government. How the government officials are elected is very different from how they govern, and the constitution does not mend the two ideas together.
    Yea it unfortunate.

    I'm not a fan of the popularity contest that is the presidential election.
    A whole lot of fluff, very little serious consideration.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea it unfortunate.

    I'm not a fan of the popularity contest that is the presidential election.
    A whole lot of fluff, very little serious consideration.
    I edited my last post after you had replied.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    I edited my last post after you had replied.
    They do have some but not as much as there are Democrats.
    Either way it doesn't matter because they have the largest population so they will have the most sway.

    My state is largely ignored as it is, except for Atlanta.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    The way the president is elected, either by a national popular vote, or by the electoral college has nothing to do with a division between a Democracy and a Representative Republic. The constituion guaruntee's a representative republic form of government and does not carry those ideas over to the election of the President.

    Also, the EC does not protect small states, it greatly weakens their role in the election. Candidates will campaign and pay attention to battle ground states leaving the vast majority of smaller states completely out of the picture. I don't know what you mean when you say it will keep politics "national". An EC does very opposite of keeping politics "national" as candidates focus on battle ground states, not a national picture.

    Also it should be noted that they are not alone in this decision:
    Thsoe states don't believe in their voters mattering. Hey that's their choice.

    However, you are absolutely wrong in your assessment of the EC. IF the win was just Popular vote, which is Democracy, not the EC Rep. Repub. Candidates would ignore rural areas, low population states and areas. Focus on the top say 10 US Cities. They would be what mattered.
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