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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Let's see what happens when a Republican presidential candidate wins the popular election.... I wonder if people in MA will be fuming when the largely Democrat state gives its electoral votes to a Republican. If anything this is a preach of democratic values, because other voters from all over the country will be deciding who the state of MA gives their votes to.
    If you read the article, the bill in MA and in other states that have passed it state that it will only kick in after enough states constituting a majority of electoral votes have passed the legislation...
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That's what happens when you argue talking points rather than having a formed opion of an issue.
    Then:
    "Hey, the Popluar vote would help Smaller states!"

    Debate ensues...

    Now:
    "Why support an unfair system taht gives smaller states an advantage?"


    The rest of us go "eh?"

    Okay fine now explain why the largest paying states should be forced into paying for the fly over states?

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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    If you read the article, the bill in MA and in other states that have passed it state that it will only kick in after enough states constituting a majority of electoral votes have passed the legislation...
    I didn't know that, thanks for educating me.

    Essentially what this looks like is MA will wait for enough states (and their electoral votes) to pass similar elections in order to ensure that an election winning amount of electoral votes get clumped together and go to one candidate. Essentially they are trying to abolish the electoral college without amending the constitution (if that's where we get the electoral college from) or having the federal government change things. This just isn't right. It's a violation of our Democratic Republic and how our national elections work.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay fine now explain why the largest paying states should be forced into paying for the fly over states?
    I must say you summed up why there is an EC and why we need it better then any other argument I could make.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I didn't know that, thanks for educating me.

    Essentially what this looks like is MA will wait for enough states (and their electoral votes) to pass similar elections in order to ensure that an election winning amount of electoral votes get clumped together and go to one candidate. Essentially they are trying to abolish the electoral college without amending the constitution (if that's where we get the electoral college from) or having the federal government change things. This just isn't right. It's a violation of our Democratic Republic and how our national elections work.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I must say you summed up why there is an EC and why we need it better then any other argument I could make.
    That doesn't explain very much. If people in Boston pay more into the system why do people in Iowa get the benefit and an extra vote?

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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    That doesn't explain very much. If people in Boston pay more into the system why do people in Iowa get the benefit and an extra vote?
    Are you INTENTIONALLY doing this? Are you trying to make a point here in my favor?

    I'm going to assume you really DON'T get this...

    Rural Iowa, would get ignored in favor of big spending Boston. That's why we have an EC and not a popular vote.. among other things.

    A good example of the problem with popular votes would be Senators. They should NEVER have been voted on by the people.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    Argh. We live in a Representative Democracy (AKA Republic) for a reason... (people saying we don't live in a democracy are only half-right)

    The idea is to avoid mob rule and concentrating too much power in big cities. Bad Mass. BAD! *slap*
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    The popular vote doesn't concentrate power into big cities. The 25 largest cities only account for 12% of the population. Plus, how a large city votes doesn't predict how the state will swing.
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    Re: Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

    People forget that the EC was a result of a series of compromises that made the Constitution possible in the first place. Were it not for this and other compromises, the Constitution would likely have never been ratified. This is one of the things (including the equal representative in the Senate) that was included to address the concerns of small states to get them to ratify the Constitution. So, I can understand why some people would like to change it, but it flies in the face of the compromises that made the Constitution possible in the first place and as a native of one of those small states that was instrumental in the ratification of the Constitution in the first place (in fact, in accordance with the provisions of said Constitution, it was this small state whose ratification was the one what technically put the Constitution into effect) I am VERY hesitant to support a change -- especially done in this way that liberals love to do so much -- ignore that there is a constitutional means to change the constitution and do an end around (either through judicial fiat or in this case legislation).
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