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    Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Israel demolishes Bedouin village - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    Israeli authorities have demolished the homes of about 300 Bedouins in a village in the southern Negev desert.

    The entire village of al-Arakib was bulldozed on Tuesday, with many of the former residents' cattle, trees and belongings lost.
    According to the Negev Co-existence Forum,around half of the 155,000 Bedouins in the Negev - all of whom are Israeli citizens - live in villages that are unrecognised by the government, without municipal services like water and electricity.
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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    The Treatment of the Negev Bedouins is really quite a travesty. They were basically neutral in the 1948 war, but afterwards were ghettoized like other Israeli Arabs during the martial law period until 1966. Ironically even with all the abuse they still had many volunteer to serve in the IDF. Yet Israel's mistreatment of them has persisted.
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    Those are citizens of Israel, this is an Israeli land, those are buildings that were built illegally and without local authority permission, the rule of law was enforced.
    Where the heck is the abuse here? Where's the illegality in destroying buildings that were built illegally?
    Seriously it seems like al-Jazeera has nothing else to report on.

    Besides that, the Israeli government has for years laid and executed plans to promote the living conditions of the Bedouins in the Negev Desert, but it makes it difficult to do so since they are a wandering people, they move from one place to another all the time and that's their way of life and traditions.
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    you would think Israel would treat the Bedouin a lot better, considering the 10% of Bedouin youth volunteer for the IDF, and that the Bedouin can be quite good at causing trouble.
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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Those are citizens of Israel, this is an Israeli land, those are buildings that were built illegally and without local authority permission, the rule of law was enforced.
    Where the heck is the abuse here? Where's the illegality in destroying buildings that were built illegally?
    Seriously it seems like al-Jazeera has nothing else to report on.
    Many of these villages were here before these court rulings.

    Besides that, the Israeli government has for years laid and executed plans to
    promote the living conditions of the Bedouins in the Negev Desert
    It doesnt seem to be doing anything.

    but it makes it difficult to do so since they are a wandering people, they move from one place to another all the time and that's their way of life and traditions.
    Not all Bedouins are nomads. Hence the...village....
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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    you would think Israel would treat the Bedouin a lot better, considering the 10% of Bedouin youth volunteer for the IDF, and that the Bedouin can be quite good at causing trouble.
    They are being treated perfectly fine, considering the ways they choose to live, and their service is being honored like that of the Druze.
    However I can't see the logic behind your expectations for a different treatment by the law. Everyone should be equal in front of the law, and being Bedouine shouldn't make them immune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    They are being treated perfectly fine, considering the ways they choose to live, and their service is being honored like that of the Druze.
    However I can't see the logic behind your expectations for a different treatment by the law. Everyone should be equal in front of the law, and being Bedouine shouldn't make them immune.
    i'm just sympathetic towards them because i have a mate who's Bedouin.

    but demolishing people homes 11 years after the court order was given seems pretty redundant, if it hadn't caused any problems in those 11 years of being recognised as illegal, why couldn't it have continued sitting their quietly, i don't see the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Many of these villages were here before these court rulings.
    The village is not recognized as a legally built by the Israeli government, the governing authority of both the land it is on and the people who live in it.

    It doesnt seem to be doing anything.
    I can see that you aren't even following the subject you open a thread about, this was a very ignornat statement, the change the government has promoted was huge.
    In the early 70's, the Bedouines were all nomadic and living in huts and small encampents.
    Today half of them are living in urban towns built by Israel for them.
    Here, from Wikipedia:
    Around half the population live in seven towns built for them by the Israeli government between 1979 and 1982. The largest Bedouin locality in Israel is the city of Rahat. Other towns include Ar'arat an-Naqab (Ar'ara BaNegev), Bir Hadaj, Hura, Kuseife, Lakiya, Shaqib al-Salam (Segev Shalom) and Tel as-Sabi (Tel Sheva).

    The other half of Bedouin citizens of Israel live in 39-45 villages which are not recognized by the Israeli government and are thus ineligible for municipal services such as connection to the electrical grid, water mains or trash-pickup.[43] According to the Israel Land Authority, in 2007 40% of the Bedouin lived in Unrecognized villages,[44] although the Regional Council of Unrecognized Villages (RCUV) refer to Bedouin in unrecognized villages as half the Negev Bedouin population.[45] The RCUV figures include the five villages which remain unrecognized despite incorporation into the Abu Basma Regional Council.

    Today, many Bedouin call themselves 'Negev Arabs' rather than ‘Bedouin,’ explaining that 'Bedouin' identity is intimately tied in with a pastoral nomadic way of life – a way of life they say is over. Although the Bedouin in Israel continue to be perceived as nomads, today all of them are fully sedentarized, and about half are urbanites.[30] Nevertheless, Negev Bedouin continue to possess goats and sheep: in 2000 the Ministry of Agriculture estimated that the Negev Bedouin owned 200,000 head of sheep and 5,000 of goats, while Bedouin estimates referred to 230,000 sheep and 20,000 goats.[46]
    Negev Bedouin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Not all Bedouins are nomads. Hence the...village....
    Bedouines are mostly no longer nomads, yes, but they used to be during the government's projects.
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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    I wonder why their doing this too the Bedouin village when they were Neutral in the 1948 war. This is just a shame people actually beleive Israel wants peace when it does stuff like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    i'm just sympathetic towards them because i have a mate who's Bedouin.

    but demolishing people homes 11 years after the court order was given seems pretty redundant, if it hadn't caused any problems in those 11 years of being recognised as illegal, why couldn't it have continued sitting their quietly, i don't see the point.
    Such court orders are normally delayed and delayed until the authority can find some substitute for the evacuated bunch.
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