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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Either building without a permission to build from the local authority or crossing the lines and conditions set for the builder in the granted building permission.
    Makes sense. Maybe they couldn't afford the costs to do it all legally. Well, as long as they're not left homeless as a result and those who have no place else to go are taken care of, I guess I don't have too much of a problem with this.
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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Those are citizens of Israel, this is an Israeli land, those are buildings that were built illegally and without local authority permission, the rule of law was enforced.
    Where the heck is the abuse here? Where's the illegality in destroying buildings that were built illegally?
    Seriously it seems like al-Jazeera has nothing else to report on.

    Besides that, the Israeli government has for years laid and executed plans to promote the living conditions of the Bedouins in the Negev Desert, but it makes it difficult to do so since they are a wandering people, they move from one place to another all the time and that's their way of life and traditions.
    My friend, you should look into how these "unrecognized" villages came into being. Israel declared the Negev to be state land after independence and barred anyone from living on it, except Jews of course. Bedouins were forced into urban settlements and any villages on the declared state land, whether they existed before this declaration or not, were declared illegal settlements. Bedouins were subject to frequent expulsions and resettlement.
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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Those are citizens of Israel, this is an Israeli land, those are buildings that were built illegally and without local authority permission, the rule of law was enforced.
    Where the heck is the abuse here? Where's the illegality in destroying buildings that were built illegally?
    Seriously it seems like al-Jazeera has nothing else to report on.

    Besides that, the Israeli government has for years laid and executed plans to promote the living conditions of the Bedouins in the Negev Desert, but it makes it difficult to do so since they are a wandering people, they move from one place to another all the time and that's their way of life and traditions.
    Where they illegal when they were built?

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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Israel declared the Negev to be state land after independence and barred anyone from living on it, except Jews of course. Bedouins were forced into urban settlements and any villages on the declared state land, whether they existed before this declaration or not, were declared illegal settlements.
    Incorrect. Non-Jews are not barred from living in the Negev. Moreover, Bedouin are not barred from land ownership.

    Under Israeli law, a person who has not registered his/her land in the Land Registry cannot claim ownership; but in the mid 1970s Israel let the Negev Bedouin register their land claims and issued certificates as to the size of the tracts claimed. These certificates served as the basis for the "right of possession" later granted by the government. Following the signing of the Treaty of Peace with Egypt, it became necessary to move an airport to a locality inhabited by 5000 Bedouin. The government, recognizing these land claim certificates, negotiated with the certificate holders and paid compensation to them. Most moved to Bedouin townships, built houses and established businesses.

    In recent years the Ministerial Committee for the Advancement of Bedouin Affairs has undertaken to solve the problem of land ownership and has been assured of the necessary funds. The government is willing to leave some 20% of the land claimed in Bedouin possession and to compensate them for the remainder...
    The Bedouin in Israel

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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Where they illegal when they were built?
    No, the ruling was over 11 years ago but the village has been there far longer
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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    No, the ruling was over 11 years ago but the village has been there far longer
    The court ruling from 11 years ago was stating that this village is to be destroyed since it is illegal, it was considered illegal long before the court ruling.
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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    They are being treated perfectly fine, considering the ways they choose to live, and their service is being honored like that of the Druze.
    However I can't see the logic behind your expectations for a different treatment by the law. Everyone should be equal in front of the law, and being Bedouine shouldn't make them immune.
    American Liberals don't believe that everyone should be treated equally, under the law. There are the, "oppressors", and the, "oppressees". The oppressees get treated differently. Look at how our current government treats people of different races.
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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Makes sense. Maybe they couldn't afford the costs to do it all legally. Well, as long as they're not left homeless as a result and those who have no place else to go are taken care of, I guess I don't have too much of a problem with this.
    They most likely couldn't get permits to built legally because Israel practices discrimination when issuing building permits. Apoc will try and tell you all Israelis are equal under the law. What he won't tell you is that an Israeli Jew will always receive a building permit before an Israeli Arab. Those are just the facts on the ground.

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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    American Liberals don't believe that everyone should be treated equally, under the law. There are the, "oppressors", and the, "oppressees". The oppressees get treated differently. Look at how our current government treats people of different races.
    Do you have any idea how hypocritical you are for saying that.

    You're the one in the Mosque threads saying they won't have the right to build a mosque because.... we don't like it...

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    Re: Israel demolishes Bedouin village

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    They most likely couldn't get permits to built legally because Israel practices discrimination when issuing building permits. Apoc will try and tell you all Israelis are equal under the law. What he won't tell you is that an Israeli Jew will always receive a building permit before an Israeli Arab. Those are just the facts on the ground.
    Heh. Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me much if it's true.
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