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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If you look at the men's survival rates, only 2 other countries are within 10 points of ours.
    Wow, in only one category, and still two do get within ten. Doesn't seem all that impressive to me, keeping in mind how much we pay.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wow, in only one category, and still two do get within ten. Doesn't seem all that impressive to me, keeping in mind how much we pay.
    Of course it doesn't.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wow, in only one category, and still two do get within ten. Doesn't seem all that impressive to me, keeping in mind how much we pay.
    Those two countries are very small

    The facts show that our horrible and poor quality healthcare system has the highest cancer rate in the world. While the UK's ranks as the worst in Europe when it comes to surviving cancer.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Right now, government health care amounts to people trying not to have it. This does effect efficiency. Perhaps if we quit playing games and simply tried to do it right things would be better.

    BTW, remember the VA hospital that was mostly privatized? As I recall, that got worse. Oh well, so much stereotypes.
    No...tell me more about the VA Hospital that was privatized.

    The question gets down to "what is right". I know of NO ONE that is involved as a PROVIDER in thew Medicare system that thinks this is a GOOD thing. Medicare/Medicaid for the crippled and dependent pets...OK...fine...but we are migrating to a Universal health care. And when EVERYONE is on Medicare...well...Okiedokie...

    Ooops...that is...everyone but the very rich and congress....they will have private care.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

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    No...tell me more about the VA Hospital that was privatized.

    The question gets down to "what is right". I know of NO ONE that is involved as a PROVIDER in thew Medicare system that thinks this is a GOOD thing. Medicare/Medicaid for the crippled and dependent pets...OK...fine...but we are migrating to a Universal health care. And when EVERYONE is on Medicare...well...Okiedokie...

    Ooops...that is...everyone but the very rich and congress....they will have private care.
    How soon we forget:

    The scandal over treatment of outpatients at Walter Reed Army Medical Center has focused attention on the Army's decision to privatize the facilities support workforce at the hospital, a move commanders say left the building maintenance staff undermanned.

    Privatized Walter Reed Workforce Gets Scrutiny - washingtonpost.com

    We're no where near univerisal care. Personally I would prefer a univerisal provider for a lot of reasons. Remove it from an employer responsibility and allow business to compete fairly with the rest of the world. But, no one has proposed such a system. But, you are right that no matter what we will have a two tiered system. those who can afford more will always have more here in the states. And we will likely always give the very poor something. But the working poor and the middle class have no guaranties. ANd they don't have them without reform.

    Our problems are many, and with people fighting to make reform impossible, it makes doing anything positive hard. But we have a step. Now, the question is what's the next step. Do we buckle down and try to improve? Or do we whine and let those who seek to stop reform win? Which would leave us with nothing.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Now, the question is what's the next step. Do we buckle down and try to improve? Or do we whine and let those who seek to stop reform win? Which would leave us with nothing.
    I have a problem with this part of what you said right here (well I had other problems with what you said, but this is the main one). No one with any intelligence wants to stop reform, they all agree reform is needed (conservatives, liberals, libertarians, socialists etc.). The disagreement arises on what reform is done. Liberals (many of them, anyway) want a move toward universal health care; many others including myself vehemently oppose this and want reform centered around opening up competition over state lines, cracking down on crack pot law suits etc.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    I have a problem with this part of what you said right here (well I had other problems with what you said, but this is the main one). No one with any intelligence wants to stop reform, they all agree reform is needed (conservatives, liberals, libertarians, socialists etc.). The disagreement arises on what reform is done. Liberals (many of them, anyway) want a move toward universal health care; many others including myself vehemently oppose this and want reform centered around opening up competition over state lines, cracking down on crack pot law suits etc.
    That's not true. Really, it's not. This is not new. Efforts at reform have gone on for decades, and always republcians say they want reform, but whenever they are in power, they never take a single step. And everytime the issue comes up, the same tired, old, efforts to stop real debate begin. Remember Harry and Louise? No, there is a real effort to prevent anything from happening. They cover this by saying they really want reform, but when given the chance, they awlays let it drift away, doing nothing.

    If we could stop with the crap, the socialism, the false comparisons, the death panel type lies, and actually roll up our sleves and really debate and work for reform, I would praise all involved. But that was not what happened. Not even close. And it never has happened. Again, we have history on this. It isn't new.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's not true. Really, it's not. This is not new. Efforts at reform have gone on for decades, and always republcians say they want reform, but whenever they are in power, they never take a single step. And everytime the issue comes up, the same tired, old, efforts to stop real debate begin. Remember Harry and Louise? No, there is a real effort to prevent anything from happening. They cover this by saying they really want reform, but when given the chance, they awlays let it drift away, doing nothing.

    If we could stop with the crap, the socialism, the false comparisons, the death panel type lies, and actually roll up our sleves and really debate and work for reform, I would praise all involved. But that was not what happened. Not even close. And it never has happened. Again, we have history on this. It isn't new.
    No you're blinded by your bias. It's clear that both sides don't agree on how to go about reform. As such neither side will get what it wants. Your side wants a more socialized health care system and mine wants to let a more free market approach solve it. Neither side agrees with the other.

    Now let me approach it with the same attitude you used...

    It's all the mean democrats fault. Every time a poor little conservative suggests something they say, 'no socialism is the only way.' All we conservatives want is a better system with cheaper health care for the poor but the mean democrats want to raise everyone's taxes to pay for health care for all. Those democrats are so ignorant. This is nothing new, look at the history books. Those democrats are part of a vast conspiracy to prevent any real reform from happening.


    There see how that works?

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Good to see socialist Europe is somewhat getting it and in turn dismantles many arguments made by the pro-socialist medicine crowd that uses that **** hole Europe as an example.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    No you're blinded by your bias. It's clear that both sides don't agree on how to go about reform. As such neither side will get what it wants. Your side wants a more socialized health care system and mine wants to let a more free market approach solve it. Neither side agrees with the other.

    Now let me approach it with the same attitude you used...

    It's all the mean democrats fault. Every time a poor little conservative suggests something they say, 'no socialism is the only way.' All we conservatives want is a better system with cheaper health care for the poor but the mean democrats want to raise everyone's taxes to pay for health care for all. Those democrats are so ignorant. This is nothing new, look at the history books. Those democrats are part of a vast conspiracy to prevent any real reform from happening.


    There see how that works?
    I'm sorry, but I'm the one who has pointed to history with specifics. You rely on pronouncements of what is clear.

    Again, this is not a new issue. Democrats even tried hard once before (hence the Harry and Louise). Republicans held both the WH and Congress. Please point to me the effort they put into health care reform.

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