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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob
    Some of the dirt bags I see out there disgust me.
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    Now the woman who works 60 hours a week as a single mother to support two kids going to college and is struggling to buy enough food for herself? Sure, I'll help that person.
    So if a system is not picture perfect (whose standards should we use?), let's just not do it at all?
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And it is colder in Sweden so there is a larger chance people freeze to death. Lets not forget it is also darker there, so people can die of depression. How about in Souther Europe where there is a higher risk of dehydration during the summer, or Greece has a lot of forest fires, or floods in Poland, or left over radiation from Chernobyl and on and on.. in other words... a lame excuse. It statistically means nothing. The only thing that might have a statistical impact is the diet of some regions of the world, but even then it is not really worth mentioning too much since it is evening it self out as even these nations are turning to the same food stuffs as American's.



    Actually another lie by the US right wing. While you are correct countries have different rules on birth, the actual difference is statistically non existent. For example, some countries say that children born before 23 weeks of gestation are not counted as live births. Yes that is different than the US version of any child born is considered live, however what your right wing friends forget to mention is that there is a only a handful if that many babies born under 23 weeks of gestation that have ever lived. Hence those few children around the world that have been born before 23 weeks of gestation and lived ... it is statistically irrelevant when talking about thousands of births a year. And if you think for a second that European doctors dont try to save a child born under 23 weeks then you are frankly a moron.. of course they do. But the chance of such a child surviving is under 1% and at some point every medical professional has to make the call if the amount of energy and money spent on trying to save a lost cause is worth it. If a child is born at say 10 weeks, even in the US... it is considered dead at birth since it can survive.



    Yes, that is another subject.



    Hmm prove your fertility treatment claim. Fertility treatments are very common here in Europe. But what the hell does it have to do with health statistics? As for effecting the numbers.. how exactly does teen pregnancy effect child mortality rates under 5 years? Are you saying your teens murder their kids?
    Your sarcasm aside, you sort of make the point. Sure...every country has different risks, dangers, etc. And for expediency sake people often give truth to the old quote statistics dont lie, statisticians do. makes it kind of hard to give those figures any type of credibility doesn it?

    let me ask you...when discussing Cubas health care and statistics who do you think people think of...this




    or this?



    Or this?



    No...of course not. They think of the fancy hotels rich tourists go to to get their plastic surgeries and their 'free health care'.

    WORLDS of differences...

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Your sarcasm aside, you sort of make the point. Sure...every country has different risks, dangers, etc. And for expediency sake people often give truth to the old quote statistics dont lie, statisticians do. makes it kind of hard to give those figures any type of credibility doesn it?

    let me ask you...when discussing Cubas health care and statistics who do you think people think of...this




    or this?



    Or this?



    No...of course not. They think of the fancy hotels rich tourists go to to get their plastic surgeries and their 'free health care'.

    WORLDS of differences...
    We are not talking about 3rd world countries, but comparable western industrialized countries.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack
    let me ask you...when discussing Cubas health care and statistics who do you think people think of...this
    Probably about as much as they think about the following when talking of U.S. superior medical system.



    Inglewood, Ca free clinic




    2007 Remote Area Medical Volunteer Corps (RAM) free clinic in Wise, Virginia



    Lining up for medical care in Va.





    When RAM came to Knoxville, Tennessee, in January, people started arriving at midnight, even though the doors did not open until seven -- and temperatures dropped below freezing that night. Asked why they'd come to early, people said they "just wanted to be seen" by a medical professional.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    So if a system is not picture perfect (whose standards should we use?), let's just not do it at all?
    I'm not real sure what exactly you were saying due to your strange sentence structure, but I'll take a stab anyway.

    If a system is not perfect then fix the system. Whose standards should we use? Mine, most definitely.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They prefer mediocore over priced healthcare to real change that would improve their lives. Cause if Gov't didn't run it.. they might be *GASP* responsible for their own lives again.

    Can't have that.
    Mediocore sure. Over priced? You must be drinking
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Probably about as much as they think about the following when talking of U.S. superior medical system.



    Inglewood, Ca free clinic




    2007 Remote Area Medical Volunteer Corps (RAM) free clinic in Wise, Virginia

    Lining up for medical care in Va.





    When RAM came to Knoxville, Tennessee, in January, people started arriving at midnight, even though the doors did not open until seven -- and temperatures dropped below freezing that night. Asked why they'd come to early, people said they "just wanted to be seen" by a medical professional.
    How can you compare a free clinic to actual hospital and doctor's office conditions and expect it to show that U.S. health care is poor? In all of your pictures I didn't see any 'filth' or sanitation issues, just simple, temporary setups.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    How can you compare a free clinic to actual hospital and doctor's office conditions and expect it to show that U.S. health care is poor? In all of your pictures I didn't see any 'filth' or sanitation issues, just simple, temporary setups.
    I see charity at work. Something that makes America so great.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Probably about as much as they think about the following when talking of U.S. superior medical system.



    When RAM came to Knoxville, Tennessee, in January, people started arriving at midnight, even though the doors did not open until seven -- and temperatures dropped below freezing that night. Asked why they'd come to early, people said they "just wanted to be seen" by a medical professional.
    Two obvious points...

    1-The pictures I posted are the societal norm for Cuba...a system which everyone holds out as desirable in the socialized health care realm whereas the pictures you depicted are 'events'.

    2-There is a world of difference even in the voluntarily provided and free (notice...people did it without government mandate) healthcare services you posted and the standard ops in Cuba.

    And the funny part is I bet you think you made a POINT by posting your pics. Well..you did...you made mine...

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Probably about as much as they think about the following when talking of U.S. superior medical system.
    When RAM came to Knoxville, Tennessee, in January, people started arriving at midnight, even though the doors did not open until seven -- and temperatures dropped below freezing that night. Asked why they'd come to early, people said they "just wanted to be seen" by a medical professional.
    I believe the word you are looking for is...'Touche'...

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