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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    NHS funding is supposedly ring-fenced from the cutbacks deriving from the dire economic state which the bankers have left us in, not from any inherent financial mismanagement. The conservative changes are entirely dogma driven. Tony Bliar's New Labour had increased funding to almost match the European average, while subcontracting much of the provision of services to private sector concerns. The PFI (Private Finance Initiative) system has been disastrous. This is where a health region contracts with a private builder for new hospital borrowing the finance from the market. the building remains the property of the builder, who leases it back to the health authority which paid them to build it. Normally the contract lasts up to 30 years, but incredibly, in the case of the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, they will never own their building! The current NHS is a hollow shell, forced to adopt dubious notional business type practices in the daily operation of a public service. The Tory changes superimposed on this may well put the service at risk, not because it is inefficient or ineffective, but because it has been milked dry.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, with democrats in control pushing, they have said nothing. History. All they do is spread is spread misinforamtion trying to kill it so they don't have to do anything. Show me one thing they did in powere to push reform.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When you internalize stereotypes too much, you start reading things not written.
    Calling out bull**** isn't stereotyping. Maybe you should learn what that word means. K, thx.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You seem to forget... the NHS is still way cheaper than anything the US has.. No doubt the NHS could use some reforms and cut the fat off so to say, but dismantling it outright.. no way. Compared to the US, the NHS is a freaking bargin on every level.
    I'm so glad you used the word cheaper. It's the perfect term to describe UHC. Value is when the asked price and it's utility meet as closely as possible, cheap is typically of inferior quality. Now you guys are getting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Calling out bull**** isn't stereotyping. Maybe you should learn what that word means. K, thx.


    If you were doing that, you might have a point. As you seem to just be mouthing a stock stereotype, not so much.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When you internalize stereotypes too much, you start reading things not written.
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    If you were doing that, you might have a point. As you seem to just be mouthing a stock stereotype, not so much.
    Well, been fun but you aren't even smart enough to know what a stereotype is so now I'll have to put you on ignore. I think it's even more hilarious that you laugh at all of this instead of just owning your incompetance. Well, been fun. Bye loser.

    So worth the points.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I would pay higher taxes for NHS.
    I would not support it for the military tho.

    So not surprising it is the same for many other European countries.
    So you want to make sure your healthy for the London bombing? LOL, I'm glad Churchill saw it a little differently.

    That's easy to say when you have the USA to protect you. We don't have anyone to protect us.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well, been fun but you aren't even smart enough to know what a stereotype is so now I'll have to put you on ignore. I think it's even more hilarious that you laugh at all of this instead of just owning your incompetance. Well, been fun. Bye loser.

    So worth the points.


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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

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    Run if you must.
    Says the person that ran from my post.

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    Says the person that ran from my post.
    Haven't run anywhere. I'm right here.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm so glad you used the word cheaper. It's the perfect term to describe UHC. Value is when the asked price and it's utility meet as closely as possible, cheap is typically of inferior quality. Now you guys are getting it.
    Cheap does not mean inferior quality by any means. That is why we have medical statistics, and they show that despite Europeans on average paying half the amount for healthcare than American, we get as good if not better care. And that is the truth of it. Now you can deny it all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. If UHC was so terrible, then we would live shorter lives in Europe and be at the bottom individual health statistics.. we are not, we are in the top of most.

    And often expensive means you have been taken for a ride. Take a Bang & Olafusen. Their products are expensive as hell, because of the design. But in reality the bits and pieces inside are no different than an ordinary tv or stereo.. you pay for the design and get a Phillips TV at a high price. Or say Ferrari sun glasses.. they are expensive as hell because of the name, but a cheap Ray Band is just as good. Higher price does not mean you get maximum for your money.. it often means you have been "taken for a ride". A store that sells milk for 15 bucks a gallon vs a store that sells it for 5 bucks a gallon ... do you really think that the 15 buck a gallon milk is superior?
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