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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I dunno Laila, it has some major budgetary problems. Never say never.
    We will never dismantle the NHS. I can confidently say that imo.
    I would bet the majority of the British public would rather see our nukes and our military cut than the NHS removed entirely.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's called unsustainable national welfare, and it's turning England into a second-rate country.
    It is not unsustainable and England is not turning into a second rate country.. it is! (and yes the last part is ironic)

    The Brits will either undo NH, or it will undo itself. It's inevitable.
    LOL in what universe? Seriously, NH or UHC is a cornerstone of British and European life.

    And yes, we're stepping in the same steamy pile of dog doo step by step.
    No you are not. Yours is far worse since it is run by private companies that need profit to justify things.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    We will never dismantle the NHS. I can confidently say that imo.
    I would bet the majority of the British public would rather see our nukes and our military cut than the NHS removed entirely.
    Agreed fully.. same with other European nations. They are willing to pay higher taxes to have UHC (NHS in the UK). They are on the other hand not willing to pump billions into the military.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    I would pay higher taxes for NHS.
    I would not support it for the military tho.

    So not surprising it is the same for many other European countries.


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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    We will never dismantle the NHS. I can confidently say that imo.
    I would bet the majority of the British public would rather see our nukes and our military cut than the NHS removed entirely.
    It really isn't any of my business to be perfectly honest. I came to this thread to see which of my countrymen were going to opine as I figured it was related to the American pro-UHC side. The UK is a staunch ally of the U.S. so naturally I wish the best for your country as well as mine. I think from what I've seen though that if the UK keeps the NHC major reforms and cost reduction measures will have to be implemented, by cost reduction I mean the root causes and not reaction to the back end which requires limitations on payouts.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sorry, but I'm the one who has pointed to history with specifics. You rely on pronouncements of what is clear.

    Again, this is not a new issue. Democrats even tried hard once before (hence the Harry and Louise). Republicans held both the WH and Congress. Please point to me the effort they put into health care reform.
    During the recent efforts they had their say but were ignored by the left.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    During the recent efforts they had their say but were ignored by the left.
    Again, with democrats in control pushing, they have said nothing. History. All they do is spread is spread misinforamtion trying to kill it so they don't have to do anything. Show me one thing they did in powere to push reform.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No. You've used hysterics, emotional arguments, talking points, outright propaganda, and even bull**** statistics. But I've definitely never seen specifics from you.
    When you internalize stereotypes too much, you start reading things not written.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Maybe you have heard me say it...I dont think it is GOING to be thrown out. i doubt the republicans will win back the congress and I doubt they have enough ummmph (or balls) to attempt to throw it out. Democrats will continue to create and pander to the crippled and dependent pets that keep them elected. We will eventually have universal health care. And we will in short order have 17 trillion dollar debt that we wont be able to pay even the interest on. inflation will increase and unemployment will increase.

    I dont think the republicans are answer...two sides of the same coin...Im sure you have seen me say that. We MAY overcome this...but it will take enough citizens to say no more and to vote them ALL out. I dont know when or if THAT will happen. I quite honestly cant foresee what we will look like in 8 years.

    I certainly agree they are two sides of the same coin, but the fact remains, we need reform. And we need an honest effort at it. We need to remove those who pander to misinformation. Both sides have them. What we will look in 8 years depends on what we do. I honestly never believed any president could do as much damaga as Bush did, so I have had to rethink that belief. But, progress comes from working hard and taking some risk. Not being reckless, but being bold enough to tackle something that will be difficult. At least that has been done.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It really isn't any of my business to be perfectly honest. I came to this thread to see which of my countrymen were going to opine as I figured it was related to the American pro-UHC side. The UK is a staunch ally of the U.S. so naturally I wish the best for your country as well as mine. I think from what I've seen though that if the UK keeps the NHC major reforms and cost reduction measures will have to be implemented, by cost reduction I mean the root causes and not reaction to the back end which requires limitations on payouts.
    You seem to forget... the NHS is still way cheaper than anything the US has.. No doubt the NHS could use some reforms and cut the fat off so to say, but dismantling it outright.. no way. Compared to the US, the NHS is a freaking bargin on every level.
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