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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Listen, that may or may not be true but it is irrelevant. Removing parts of a statistic just because it shows a country in a bad way is not only morally wrong but also statistically wrong.
    The reason it is relevant is that the causes of death that were removed from the statistics are not a reflection on the health care system. If you are looking to prove that one country has a bad health care system, you need to remove causes of death that are irrelevant to the argument. No health care system (even the wonderful NHS) is going to be able to resurrect someone that was shot to death or died due to blunt force trauma following a car accident.

    It's fine to look at the causes of those deaths and blame the country, its citizens, politicians, or whatever. But, it's not the fault of an insurance company, hospital or doctor. Better access to health care or more medical research will not prevent those causes of death. Those causes of death are irrelevant to the argument. On the other hand, smoking and diet are relevant to the quality of a health care system, since they both lead to chronic conditions and the victims of the related diseases will require medical care. Medical research, doctor knowledge, access to care will all play a part in how long that individual lives.

    Anyway, we’re just arguing in circles While I agree a country's life expectancy has it's place, it is not necessarily a reflection on the qulity of a country's health care system, at least not until you remove causes of death that a better doctor, etc will not have any affect on. And a better doctor is not going to be able to save someone that died on scene in a car accident or murder.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I wouldn't describe it as Britain climbing out of a hole, but rather the Conservatives inserting their ideology where it doesn't belong by eliminating something that the public actually wants.
    which 'public'...the broke ass brits that dont work or the people that actually pay for it and may want to make sure it is efficient?

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sorry, but I'm the one who has pointed to history with specifics. You rely on pronouncements of what is clear.
    No. You've used hysterics, emotional arguments, talking points, outright propaganda, and even bull**** statistics. But I've definitely never seen specifics from you.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Totally serious and honest inquiry from me.

    Are the cuts to the system not necessary to reign in the fiscal budget?
    I think some cuts are necessary but I do not trust the NHS in Conservative hands. I think their motivation goes beyond balancing the fiscal budget. It is no doubt their fantasy is to dismantle the UHC of UK.


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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    which 'public'...the broke ass brits that dont work or the people that actually pay for it and may want to make sure it is efficient?
    I pay for it and I like it. I do not want Tory hands all over it.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I pay for it and I like it. I do not want Tory hands all over it.
    Because the LIBERALS have done such a good job managing it?

    Thats the same kind of idiotic rhetoric we have here...as if the democrats werent as responsible for their share of that 14 trillion dollar debt than were republicans...

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Because the LIBERALS have done such a good job managing it?

    Thats the same kind of idiotic rhetoric we have here...as if the democrats werent as responsible for their share of that 14 trillion dollar debt than were republicans...
    They have actually.
    I do not worry if the left has a hold of NHS.
    No one trusts the Conservatives with NHS and we shouldn't.

    I have no idea what you are talking about with Dems and debt and I don't really care either.


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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    It's called unsustainable national welfare, and it's turning England into a second-rate country.

    The Brits will either undo NH, or it will undo itself. It's inevitable.

    And yes, we're stepping in the same steamy pile of dog doo step by step.

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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    We will never dismantle the NHS.
    Foolish dream.
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    Re: Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    We will never dismantle the NHS.
    Foolish dream.
    I dunno Laila, it has some major budgetary problems. Never say never.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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