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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    to you it is found unpatriotic to disclose the truth

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    What's the harm in releasing secrets or sensitive material in the war against Hitler? Or releasing material during the Cold War against the Soviet Union?

    It's irresponsible and dangerous to the cause. Only an idiot would insist on complete disclosure of material and call it "patriotic duty." If the result is harmful to the ultimate goal then **** the "truth."

    This "wikileak" crap is mere drama for the civilian masses anyway. No one in Afghanistan is shocked of the war in their very midsts. It's the kind of garbage the nobodies of the world will use to insist on failure and defeat. Hail the enemy.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Hmm. Interesting. Those documents also expose a (rather silly) trope popular among the Left, that the Shia and Sunni would never work together. Yet Iran is in the thick of aiding the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...da-afghanistan
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Hmm. Interesting. Those documents also expose a (rather silly) trope popular among the Left, that the Shia and Sunni would never work together. Yet Iran is in the thick of aiding the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

    Afghanistan war logs: Iran's covert operations in Afghanistan | World news | guardian.co.uk

    They are a little mired down though, I hear they are busy building a mosque in NYC.....


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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    What's the harm in releasing secrets or sensitive material in the war against Hitler? Or releasing material during the Cold War against the Soviet Union?
    ok, so make an actual point. give us an instance in the war against third reich where the US government failed to level with the American public, and where disclosure of that wrong doing by American forces would have been damaging if disclosed. being unable to do that, your attempt to make a valid counterpoint fails

    It's irresponsible and dangerous to the cause. Only an idiot would insist on complete disclosure of material and call it "patriotic duty." If the result is harmful to the ultimate goal then **** the "truth."
    let's look at the similar instance of the pentagon papers to recognize that when the facts of the war were revealed, our nation's participation in another wrong war was curtailed ... saving the lives of young soldiers and reducing the size of a deficit budget

    This "wikileak" crap is mere drama for the civilian masses anyway. No one in Afghanistan is shocked of the war in their very midsts. It's the kind of garbage the nobodies of the world will use to insist on failure and defeat.
    i was unaware that the US funded pakistani ISI was aiding the efforts of the afghani insurgency until reading the recent wikileaks material. surprised you knew that already
    or that many more collateral casualties have been perpetrated by NATO forces than had been officially acknowledged, and that some of those may have been intentionally inflicted
    maybe collateral murder is something you do not mind happening in the name of your country. others of us want to know these things because, as citizens, it is our obligation to right our government's wrongs. if those wrongdoings are hidden, we do not become aware that they need to be fixed
    Hail the enemy.
    there are times when pogo's classic carton appears to be accurate: "i have found the enemy and it are us"
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, so make an actual point. give us an instance in the war against third reich where the US government failed to level with the American public, and where disclosure of that wrong doing by American forces would have been damaging if disclosed. being unable to do that, your attempt to make a valid counterpoint fails
    Oh you can be smarter than this. Are you actually seeking to dismiss the fact that fratricide is a long tradition in war? Or that civilians have lost their homes and lives since the beginning of time during war? Were the American people privy to all combat actions and moves in Europe or in the Pacific? Did they have an insider seeking to blast every imperfect action or sensitive aspects of movements? Before the war was won, did the "justabubbas" of the world get blasted with the ugly truth that is war? My attempt to make a point smacked you right in the face. Ducking for cover won't remove the sting.



    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's look at the similar instance of the pentagon papers to recognize that when the facts of the war were revealed, our nation's participation in another wrong war was curtailed ... saving the lives of young soldiers and reducing the size of a deficit budget
    God, again with the desparate Vietnam cliche. This "wikileak" garbage is far from the Pentagon Papers.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i was unaware that the US funded pakistani ISI was aiding the efforts of the afghani insurgency until reading the recent wikileaks material. surprised you knew that already
    or that many more collateral casualties have been perpetrated by NATO forces than had been officially acknowledged, and that some of those may have been intentionally inflicted
    maybe collateral murder is something you do not mind happening in the name of your country. others of us want to know these things because, as citizens, it is our obligation to right our government's wrongs. if those wrongdoings are hidden, we do not become aware that they need to be fixed
    there are times when pogo's classic carton appears to be accurate: "i have found the enemy and it are us"
    Well, you still don't know anything. You are drawing conclusions from reports that draw conclusions. Do you know the complete truths or merely rampaging about in a temper tantrum over bits and pieces of this or that? Why should you be aware of any of this anyway? Who the hell are you? Did you know everything that went on during the Cold War of spies and espionage? You are aware that most things that occur between governments are not in your realm of public knowledge? And should not be? Do you actually believe that you getting an inside glimpse into what ensures your petty undeserving freedoms - in one way or another - means that you will somehow "right a wrong?" They simply choose a different necessary wrong and move on. All the things you detest is called diplomacy. It is called pulling strings and compromising in the face of greater threats or violence. When people like you make self-gratifying statements like "war is a last resort," what the hell do you think goes on to make the wars smaller or non-existent? If war is a last depraved and violent resort, what the hell do you think the steps before this are? The idea that government is supposed to reveal all, no matter what it hurts, is an impractical illusion projected by people who need to feel that utopia is merely one protest away.

    You demand perfection in a world that demands treachery, skilled diplomacy, and brutality in order to preserve or make "peace."
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    U.S. has a nice history of giving money and arms to people who in return use them against us!
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

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    So, the next time someone does it towards a Christian, or a white person, or whatever Libbo stereotype happens to present itself, we can expect you to be there to save the day? And, if not, we can assume that in this instance, you're simply trying to look cool by covering for a Muslim?
    I just wanted to quote this so as many people as possible see this post and understand who it is that is making a mockery of the discussion. What is hilarious is a way is that this thread did not break down into a traditional liberal/conservative split, and yet he still thinks it is "libbos" vs the rest.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Wikileaks has 15000 more classified documents that pertain to the war in Afghanistan that it has yet to release. They must be stopped from releasing them. And the person or persons who leaked them must be apprehended and made an example of.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I just wanted to quote this so as many people as possible see this post and understand who it is that is making a mockery of the discussion. What is hilarious is a way is that this thread did not break down into a traditional liberal/conservative split, and yet he still thinks it is "libbos" vs the rest.
    IOW, another personal attack by a moderator? Nothing new from you, ma'am.
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