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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and some of those people recognize that there is a higher principle than absolutely agreeing not to release information
    there are instances in which those who hold access to secret information recognize that the legitimacy of its being stamped secret is to protect those whose wrong actions are hidden by the secret
    the coverup the Pat Tillman incident comes to mind
    in short, there are times when the application of a security classification is not for the benefit of the nation's security but for the benefit of those who - for their own purposes - want instead to conceal their screwups
    It is not up to those people to make that determination. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle, once you release the information, if your judgment is in error, there is no way to undue it. There are processes to go through if you think information that is classified should not be. Just deciding to release it is not acceptable.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    HG, Justa: People who work with classified information give their word to not release that information. It is illegal to do so. You can disagree with whether it should be classified, but you cannot release it. There is no overriding case of public need in this case, and the information mostly just confirms stuff already suspected. There is no excuse in this case for the leakers actions.
    There is no reasonable way that all that information could be kept secret, promise or not, illegal or not.
    It's stupid to have so many secrets with so many people that know them, eventually it all comes out one way or another.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is not up to those people to make that determination. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle, once you release the information, if your judgment is in error, there is no way to undue it. There are processes to go through if you think information that is classified should not be. Just deciding to release it is not acceptable.
    because there are many who feel as you do, that wikileaks is now available is a boon to truthtelling
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmmm....I see. And if and when this information released is tied back to the death of some American troops, will he still be a patriot?

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    Good luck with that. If the American right couldn't prove how Michael Moore movies are putting our troops in danger the chances of them tying this to the death of an American troop are just as minimal.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    because there are many who feel as you do, that wikileaks is now available is a boon to truthtelling
    It's a place for traitors to release sensitive documents.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's a place for traitors to release sensitive documents.
    it's an opportunity to expose truth to the public when a government abuses secrecy to hide its flaws
    here is such an example:
    Commentary: For reporters, the rules at Guantanamo change daily | McClatchy
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange said the documents are "legitimate," but he added that it is important not to take their contents at face value.

    "We publish CIA reports all the time that are legitimate CIA reports. That doesn't mean the CIA is telling the truth," he said.
    It's a shame someone can't leak MI5/6 reports

    The mere fact the founder redacted names that may have put individuals at harm seems to me to be responsible journalism. Good on Wikileaks.


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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    It's a shame someone can't leak MI5/6 reports

    The mere fact the founder redacted names that may have put individuals at harm seems to me to be responsible journalism. Good on Wikileaks.
    WikiLeaks is pretty good, better than most main stream media outlets.
    They usually don't do incredibly stupid stuff.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    WikiLeaks is pretty good, better than most main stream media outlets.
    They usually don't do incredibly stupid stuff.
    Oh I agree.
    I value Wikileaks more than any other media outlet. They also ensured to release documents months old


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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ahh good to know you are against free speech and all that wiz bang..

    You do know that all the material released had only Top Secret classification right? The lowest secret classification there is...
    First off, you're not even an American, so what do you know? Second, illegally releasing classified material isn't protected under the 1st Amendment.

    Everyone involved in the release of this information needs to prosecuted and if found guilty, face the death penalty.
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