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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    The website is based in Sweden, the founder of wikileaks is not American.
    No ****.

    The owner should be tried for spying, and those that provided the data tried for Treason.

    However, Congress has, at times, passed statutes creating related offenses that undermine the government or the national security, such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sedition in the 1917 Espionage Act, which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. For example, some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage rather than treason.

    The Constitution does not itself create the offense; it only restricts the definition (the first paragraph), permits Congress to create the offense, and restricts any punishment for treason to only the convicted (the second paragraph). The crime is prohibited by legislation passed by Congress. Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695 (Since 1945, however, this has been abolished in British law and treason cases are now subject to the same rules of evidence and procedure as a murder trial, but the US requirement still stands barring an amendment).
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    What has he released specifically that is a threat to security? Don't generalize.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    If Pakistan is in fact actively working against the U.S. and Karazi, it is a serious blow to our war aims. We already are struggling to stabilize the nation as is, and we have tens of thousands of American soldiers in place. Karazi is going to have to accomplish that alone, and with Pakistan supporting his foes.

    The other question is whether to continue funding Pakistan. While it may seem natural to cut-off the funding, that may not be the best move. Pakistan's government is not united, and different factions are in conflict. It is possible that the group that is supporting insurgents is separate from the group that we are giving the money to. If that is the case, pulling the money would make the situation worse. In any case, it would be worth reviewing exactly where the money we give them ends up.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We literally gave them the weapons to do it.
    Let's bring this up to date and put aside Soviet 1980's cold war for a minute.

    Secretary of State Clinton identifies 500 million dollars to Pakistan - - BBC - July 19th, 2010.
    Congress approves 7.5 billion dollars in aid over the next 5 years - NYT - October, 2009.
    U.S. training counter-insurgency Pakistan troops - NYT - July 11, 2010

    Pakistan orders 4.5 billion in arms - Dawn.com - Sept. 17, 2009

    U.S. to continue selling arms to Pakistan - Voice of America - July 23, 2010.


    So why would all of this continue "business as usual" given all this information coming out where we (now) apparently KNOW the Pakistani's are helping kill our own troops?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    If Pakistan is in fact actively working against the U.S. and Karazi, it is a serious blow to our war aims. We already are struggling to stabilize the nation as is, and we have tens of thousands of American soldiers in place. Karazi is going to have to accomplish that alone, and with Pakistan supporting his foes.

    The other question is whether to continue funding Pakistan. While it may seem natural to cut-off the funding, that may not be the best move. Pakistan's government is not united, and different factions are in conflict. It is possible that the group that is supporting insurgents is separate from the group that we are giving the money to. If that is the case, pulling the money would make the situation worse. In any case, it would be worth reviewing exactly where the money we give them ends up.
    I don't think it's really "a group" or some united entity.
    It's probably just some army and state officials that are acting as individuals to aid the insurgency against the US and Karzai, from political reasoning.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ahh good to know you are against free speech and all that wiz bang..

    You do know that all the material released had only Top Secret classification right? The lowest secret classification there is...

    Once again you are wrong Pete.


    Altough the documents are at the "SECRET" level, they are still Classified information. Who is this putz to decide to release them?

    The damage is not yet known fully, however they could put American lives at risk.

    Good article here:

    Pentagon review of WikiLeaks documents may take weeks - The West Australian

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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ahh good to know you are against free speech and all that wiz bang..

    You do know that all the material released had only Top Secret classification right? The lowest secret classification there is...


    What a shining jewel of collosal ignorance.

    "confidential" is 1st, "secret" is second, guess what's third?


    Oh and we wont go into cnwdi or sbi sci clearances. Your fail has been exposed.





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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    What has he released specifically that is a threat to security? Don't generalize.
    Are you trying to imply that nothing released could hurt troops, or our efforts? how do you think you know that, considering that those in the Pentagon don't even know yet, the damage caused?

    What a question.


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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    What has he released specifically that is a threat to security? Don't generalize.



    Robert GIbbs Discusses WikiLeaks | White House Reaction | Wikileaks | Mediaite


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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Once again you are wrong Pete.


    Altough the documents are at the "SECRET" level, they are still Classified information. Who is this putz to decide to release them?

    The damage is not yet known fully, however they could put American lives at risk.

    Good article here:

    Pentagon review of WikiLeaks documents may take weeks - The West Australian

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    the "putz" is the same kind of patriot who exposed the pentagon papers during the vietnam war
    someone who recognizes that embarrassing information - such as the numerous unreported instances of collateral damage, some of it potentially intentional - deserves to be disclosed and dealt with rather than hidden via top security label
    someone who believes the country is by, for and of the people ... who need to know the misguided actions of its leadership

    the party on this thread who is wrong is one who believes a swede is committing treason against the USA by publishing this information via wikileaks
    even tho that forumite posted the definition of treason, they were unable to recognize that a swede has no allegiance to the USA, and thus cannot be sanctioned for treasonous activities
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