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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    With the press tightly controlled in Afghanistan, I am happy the documents were leaked. Now we know just how badly the war is going and our governments can no longer lie to us. This is a democracy, we control the military by proxy of our elected officials, and I say this war needs to end now.
    We are a Republic. But I agree with the rest. End War NOW
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    People are talking about free speech, but what about the right to privacy?
    Oh don't be silly. Nothing trumps the busy body gossiper's chant, "you have a right to know."

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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    With the press tightly controlled in Afghanistan, I am happy the documents were leaked. Now we know just how badly the war is going and our governments can no longer lie to us. This is a democracy, we control the military by proxy of our elected officials, and I say this war needs to end now.
    Yeah, I don't think the illusion matches with the reality. I really don't think the elected officials care about your opinions. We left Iraq when we were done, and we will leave Afghanistan in the same fashion.

    Afghanistan isn't going any more badly than Iraq was when you deemed it a failure and demanded a fetal position. If you knew the half of what goes on in war, you would see them all as "going badly." A reason the daily routines and events of war aren't for public consumption is that the public is without perspective and without operational awareness. I wonder how today's pundits would behave if the beaches of Normandy were littered with media and daily reports splashed across our television sets. Or on the islands of the Pacific. There's no coincidence that our struggle with "victory" began when television sets began featuring war correspondances and political interferences. "Failure" is the rallying cry of the ignorant.

    You know the secret to winning wars? It's not techonology or numbers. Historically it has more often-than-not come down to which side had the will to win. Our enemies have the will to win because we refuse tobreak that will. We are too afraid of the civilian. Too afraid of "lowering" ourselves. Too afraid to come off of our self-righteous perches to meet our enemies. It's us that has become terrified of winning for fear of what we may look like.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    We are a Republic. But I agree with the rest. End War NOW
    So...just end it? Pick up our toys and go home and our enemies will just respect us for it and live out their remainder days in peace and harmony over a cold Coca~Cola? You forget who started it. I doubt they are willing to play nice.

    See, the problem with being an American is that we seem to talk ourselves into more blood shed than we have to by pretending that matters "aren't our business" or that every situation has a peaceful and practical solution. Of course, diplomacy has a way of merely suspending warfare or reserving it for another day doesn't it? If we only find that one perfect gift, our enemies will behave and love us, right?

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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    So...just end it? Pick up our toys and go home and our enemies will just respect us for it and live out their remainder days in peace and harmony over a cold Coca~Cola? You forget who started it. I doubt they are willing to play nice.

    See, the problem with being an American is that we seem to talk ourselves into more blood shed than we have to by pretending that matters "aren't our business" or that every situation has a peaceful and practical solution. Of course, diplomacy has a way of merely suspending warfare or reserving it for another day doesn't it? If we only find that one perfect gift, our enemies will behave and love us, right?

    In the end, you fight for what you are.
    ok, i'll bite
    what are we?
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    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    These things are elementary, Both of your wanting of the public to know every little facet of the war and how it is carried out is not for you to either know, nor is for you to judge, unless you are advocating the release of this information to lead to a loss in that effort.

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    I am not demanding to know every facet of war.
    But I do have a right to know if people screw up especially if they are British soldiers.
    Of course it is for me to judge. UK is democratic the last time I looked

    I'm happy with this leak. I'll be doubly happy if someone leaks MI5/6 reports.
    I'd love to know what is occurring behind closed door that they have hidden from the public.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    With the press tightly controlled in Afghanistan, I am happy the documents were leaked. Now we know just how badly the war is going and our governments can no longer lie to us. This is a democracy, we control the military by proxy of our elected officials, and I say this war needs to end now.
    I agree, we do need to pull out.


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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, i'll bite
    what are we?
    Let's start with what we are not.

    First of all, we (the U.S.) are not colonizers. We have no intention of spending decades occupying Afghanistan until one day they rise up and fight a war of independence against us.

    Second we are not oppressors or imperialists. This is not to imply that we are perfect because we did lower our values at times during the Cold War and shook hands with some devils. But this is no longer the Cold War. Supporting dictators or containing them so that they can focus their deeds on their own population is not the future, nor has it been our post Cold War past (Hussein being the last hold out).

    What we are...

    We are democratic and the world has proven that our way of life and security depends on the health of their regions. The healthier they are the safer we are. Therefore, we fight for what we are. We fight for democracy. The Soviets fought for what they were. They were oppressors and imperialists and their invasion of Afghanistan simply refelcted the environment of their satellite bloc nations. Germany fought for dictatorship and domination and this reflected the environment of its people. Japan fought for imperialism andther occupied locales showed just that.

    In order for us to spare the needless spilling of American blood we have to fight for what we are before the violence becomes more than it has to be. But....we can lead a horse to water, which is why success for Muslims means that they will have resist their urge to fail. Leaving Afghanistan before it is time will only ensure that we have to deal with an unhealthy situation later. Of course it will cost more money and blood to send troops back to where they already were won't it?

    This is just like Iraq. The same couch potatos find themselves in a position to dictate what to do. Unreal. Iraq didn't quite pan out in accordance to the pundits and critics, therefore they simply shift their negativity and ignorance to the east in hopes to get one right.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    So...just end it? Pick up our toys and go home and our enemies will just respect us for it and live out their remainder days in peace and harmony over a cold Coca~Cola? You forget who started it. I doubt they are willing to play nice.

    See, the problem with being an American is that we seem to talk ourselves into more blood shed than we have to by pretending that matters "aren't our business" or that every situation has a peaceful and practical solution. Of course, diplomacy has a way of merely suspending warfare or reserving it for another day doesn't it? If we only find that one perfect gift, our enemies will behave and love us, right?

    In the end, you fight for what you are.
    We have to leave sometime. Or do you suggest we just stay there forever and ever? We cannot police the whole frigging world and need to stop trying.

    Esp. til we get things right on the homefront.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i suppose you are similarly opposed to the subordinate employees of arlington national cemetary whistleblowing about the poor records management practices of their federal employer
    but for that insight by staff releasing what the management would have wanted to keep secret, we would not have become aware of the massive ineptitude

    Would that incompetence cost lives of innocent families, or our servicemen? I thought not.....NEXT!


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