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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    They don't want to release the statistics on collateral damage because the enemy will use it as propaganda for recrutment. At the same time they blow up girls schools and kill civilians with car bombs and we don't here the outrage. Whats up with that?
    They recruiting based only on the notion that Americans are invaders, killing civillians, regardless of the factual basis, and regardless of whether or not we Americans hear of it. And, last time I checked, Americans ARE outraged about the enemy blowing up schools and cars.

    Let me ask you, Rock, are you one of those people that support the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II? After all, they were "dangerous to the national unity and to the war effort." At what point do we stop and say "Hey, maybe the war isn't worth sacrificing our values, whether it be freedom of speech, freedom of information, or even just plain freedom.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    I don't know what you did there, but that looks bad.

    Edit: looks like you fixed it.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't know what you did there, but that looks bad.

    Edit: looks like you fixed it.

    yep, tried to link so that the video would be ready to play already on this screen...Then just went back and posted a link to the site.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Tut tut, are we no longer in favor of Free Speech?

    Strange how our attitudes change when those we support or encourage are revealed to be not quite as pristine as we would like them to be viewed as?
    "Free speech" also comes with a measure of responsibility. Unfortunately, the media as well as individuals don't concern themselves with such hindrances these days. However our government was dealing with Pakistan's lack of iternal loyalty and disunity I'm sure these released reports only made it harder. But who cares, right? It's only our troops that get caught between people's twisted ideas of how best to celebrate their unearned and undeserving "free speech."

    Do you know why diplomacy works? Because you, your neighbor, me, and the bum on the corner aren't privy to the conversations, deals, and compromises between governments. Without such 'under the radar' relationships, war becomes the only answer.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    They don't want to release the statistics on collateral damage because the enemy will use it as propaganda for recrutment. At the same time they blow up girls schools and kill civilians with car bombs and we don't here the outrage. Whats up with that?
    In all actuallity to the Afghanis official US stats on collateral damage are meaningless, they would get their info from other Afghanis through word of mouth, not from official US announcements, which I bet most Afghanis dont believe anyway.

    They dont want to release the stats on collateral damage for domestic US/ally consumption. American and the various allied countries po pulations would see support drop with higher reports of US/ISAF killing Afghani civilians. (The "reason" we are their now is to protect the Afghani public, not to kill them)
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    People are talking about free speech, but what about the right to privacy? What happened was not an exercise of free speech. 2 things happened here.
    1) The government's right to private and classified information was infringed upon.
    2) Those who leaked this information stole it. It was not their property, nor their right to take and disclose what they had accessed illegally.

    Consider this. Would it be wrong to sneak into a cookie company and steal their top secret recipe? Would it also be illegal to disclose that recipe to everyone else? Would it be illegal for me to hack into your medical records and then release them to everyone (I say this because I have had to go through extensive training on patient privacy and how carefully we must guard patient information with my new job). The comparison doesn't equal the crime that has gone on in the wikileaks situation. They have stolen classified information from the military and have disclosed it. It's a threat to national security as well as theft and invasion of privacy.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    People are talking about free speech, but what about the right to privacy? What happened was not an exercise of free speech. 2 things happened here.
    1) The government's right to private and classified information was infringed upon.
    2) Those who leaked this information stole it. It was not their property, nor their right to take and disclose what they had accessed illegally.

    Consider this. Would it be wrong to sneak into a cookie company and steal their top secret recipe? Would it also be illegal to disclose that recipe to everyone else? Would it be illegal for me to hack into your medical records and then release them to everyone (I say this because I have had to go through extensive training on patient privacy and how carefully we must guard patient information with my new job). The comparison doesn't equal the crime that has gone on in the wikileaks situation. They have stolen classified information from the military and have disclosed it. It's a threat to national security as well as theft and invasion of privacy.
    i suppose you are similarly opposed to the subordinate employees of arlington national cemetary whistleblowing about the poor records management practices of their federal employer
    but for that insight by staff releasing what the management would have wanted to keep secret, we would not have become aware of the massive ineptitude
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i suppose you are similarly opposed to the subordinate employees of arlington national cemetary whistleblowing about the poor records management practices of their federal employer
    but for that insight by staff releasing what the management would have wanted to keep secret, we would not have become aware of the massive ineptitude
    That is a different situation with different circumstances. Army investigators were the ones who looked into it, and the information directly dealt with the living family and friends of those buried in the cemetery. As far as I know, nothing was "leaked" in that info was stolen and made public.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Data Seem to Show Pakistan Helped Attack American Troops

    With the press tightly controlled in Afghanistan, I am happy the documents were leaked. Now we know just how badly the war is going and our governments can no longer lie to us. This is a democracy, we control the military by proxy of our elected officials, and I say this war needs to end now.

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