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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    If Obama hadn't of ordered the stimulus, and not spent any money at all on the problem. And unemployment was at 25% at their lowest estimates. I doubt conservatives would be sitting here saying "Bravo Mr. Obama for not doing any thing". No you'd be bitching about how h e didn't spend money.
    False. Had Obama let the free market sort itself out, in spite of his other faults, he would have acquired a small measure of respect from fiscal conservatives.

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

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    False. Had Obama let the free market sort itself out, in spite of his other faults, he would have acquired a small measure of respect from fiscal conservatives.
    I don't believe it for a second.

    He would have received an endless torrent of, "I don't believe the government should be penning checks out of the taxpayer's dollars, but sometimes ..."
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    That's all that dumbass has to say?!?
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Obama's change is coming just bend over and wait

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's all that dumbass has to say?!?
    The words right out of his mouth.
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    While this may seem an apologist stance.

    One must admit, in the realm of possibility, is the notion that things could well indeed be worse, and I'd say that throughout history leaders very rarely get credit for avoiding crises considering we'll never know just how bad things could have gotten.

    If Obama hadn't of ordered the stimulus, and not spent any money at all on the problem. And unemployment was at 25% at their lowest estimates. I doubt conservatives would be sitting here saying "Bravo Mr. Obama for not doing any thing". No you'd be bitching about how h e didn't spend money. These are desperate times, I've heard rumblings that a secondary stimulus may be needed to avoid a secondary reseccion which this time, could be more severe. And no magically elected republicans, presidential or congressional are gonna be able to fix it with "tax cuts".

    I think people really underestimate just how severe and fragile our situation is. It will take a long time to see what Obamas impact is. Do not be so hasty to judge. The country didn't collapse as some of you predicted it would the day he got elected. And all these months later, she's still afloat... Is she not?
    Hate to remind you of this but...... Barry promised that with the stimulas (that didn't work), unemployment wouldn't go above 8%.

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Hate to remind you of this but...... Barry promised that with the stimulas (that didn't work), unemployment wouldn't go above 8%.

    Please try to keep your facts straight.
    I don't think he promised. He asserted.
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Hate to remind you of this but...... Barry promised that with the stimulas (that didn't work), unemployment wouldn't go above 8%.

    Please try to keep your facts straight.
    I never admitted he wasn't off on his numbers, but the situation is so unpredictable right now. The market is being so erratic right now its pretty hard to estimate anything.

    Look, MAYBE without the stimulus things COULD have been better. But nothing in the stimulus stopped private enterprise from hiring, they didn't.

    The other problem is, which I think we can agree on. We're trying to artificially float our markets rather then taking the pain. There has to be ups and downs, just as the seasons change. But we don't wanna take the pain. If you really wanted to get your budget under control you have to raise taxes AND cut spending. Either you sacrifice economic growth for deficit reduction or you keep spending to try and keep this from going to ****. But eventually you can't outspend the inevitable. But I guarantee you won't applaud any leader that lets it happens, (R) or (D).

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I never admitted he wasn't off on his numbers, but the situation is so unpredictable right now. The market is being so erratic right now its pretty hard to estimate anything.
    Part of this is the uncertainty of what the regulations are going to do to normal operations and what unknown costs are coming from this. It's hard to put faith in markets and other investments when the odds can't be accurately known.

    Look, MAYBE without the stimulus things COULD have been better. But nothing in the stimulus stopped private enterprise from hiring, they didn't.
    This is partially related to the x factor in cost increases. Only partially, I don't have a good explanation for the rest.

    The other problem is, which I think we can agree on. We're trying to artificially float our markets rather then taking the pain. There has to be ups and downs, just as the seasons change. But we don't wanna take the pain.
    100% true, and something I said during the Bush admn. as well as the Obama one with the TARP programs. I have always thought them to be bad ideas.
    If you really wanted to get your budget under control you have to raise taxes AND cut spending. Either you sacrifice economic growth for deficit reduction or you keep spending to try and keep this from going to ****. But eventually you can't outspend the inevitable. But I guarantee you won't applaud any leader that lets it happens, (R) or (D).
    I am not a fan of raising taxes simply because they seem to lead to ever increasing abuse, I do agree that spending must be controlled and that temporary(and I want that specifically in writing from our reps) tax increases could be a short term solution, those taxes would have to be focused on debt reduction and solvency and have a sunset provision though.
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    While this may seem an apologist stance.

    One must admit, in the realm of possibility, is the notion that things could well indeed be worse, and I'd say that throughout history leaders very rarely get credit for avoiding crises considering we'll never know just how bad things could have gotten.

    If Obama hadn't of ordered the stimulus, and not spent any money at all on the problem. And unemployment was at 25% at their lowest estimates. I doubt conservatives would be sitting here saying "Bravo Mr. Obama for not doing any thing". No you'd be bitching about how h e didn't spend money. These are desperate times, I've heard rumblings that a secondary stimulus may be needed to avoid a secondary reseccion which this time, could be more severe. And no magically elected republicans, presidential or congressional are gonna be able to fix it with "tax cuts".

    I think people really underestimate just how severe and fragile our situation is. It will take a long time to see what Obamas impact is. Do not be so hasty to judge. The country didn't collapse as some of you predicted it would the day he got elected. And all these months later, she's still afloat... Is she not?
    Imagine if Kerry had won, and then Obama. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We'd probably be at a $100 trillion debt.
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