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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do you happen to remember the first couple of years of the reagan admin?



    I was 9.


    I do remember long gas lines when I was 6 or so.
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    oh.....then why bring up the carter years?

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    When is Obama going to face facts and stop blaming Republicans like the spoiled child he is? In all honesty I think everyone but the partisan Democrats are tired of hearing about Obama make excuses and blaming his failures on Bush and the "party of no" who doesn't have the monopoly in power right now. Obama has no excuses, he has complete control of the House, Senate, and Presidency yet he still blames the minority party for all our troubles. He needs to get real, and the partisans need to open their eyes. The Democrats will lose heavily in November, and these tactics only show that they have nothing good to run on. They can't run on their successes, they can only try to run on a conjured up hatred for the minority party using lies and faceless tactics. News flash, Bush is not running for any position in 2010, 2012, 2014... or ever.
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh.....then why bring up the carter years?


    Because his misery index was implanted in my young mind.
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh.....then why bring up the carter years?
    Because D'oh-bama's policies and theories are more comparable to the Carter years than those of Reagan. With the predictable failures to ensue.
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Because his misery index was implanted in my young mind.
    check this out......

    Current Unemployment Rates for States and Historical Highs/Lows

    more 1982 and 83 high unemployment rates than the current admin has. so, it seems things COULD be worse, like they were under reagan.

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    check this out......

    Current Unemployment Rates for States and Historical Highs/Lows

    more 1982 and 83 high unemployment rates than the current admin has. so, it seems things COULD be worse, like they were under reagan.



    did reagan blame carter? Did he turn it around by bailing out disco?
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    check this out......

    Current Unemployment Rates for States and Historical Highs/Lows

    more 1982 and 83 high unemployment rates than the current admin has. so, it seems things COULD be worse, like they were under reagan.
    The numbers were on the way down under former President Reagan, the numbers are trending UP now as a percentage. Just saying, "well Reagan had more....." doesn't cut it. Since everyone wants to blame Bush for the unemployment numbers that started under a congressional/white house Democrat majority why don't you guys be honest and mention what the WH/Congress majority was before Reagan when those unemployment numbers got there..........
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But keep in mind the distinct possibility that things for many more people could be worse.

    We don't truly know what it's like to live in a depression. And we sure as heck won't care about a little defecit if we're all outta work and there are 1000's of homeless everywhere and people living in shacks.
    The way to improve things is to lighten burdens; financial and regulatory.

    You want to limit something, tax it and regulate it to death and then add an air of uncertainty that government will intrude negatively in the future, but how you don't know. That's been Obi's and his pals modus operandi the past 18-months.

    He is an idealogue whose mistakes we might have been able to tolerate when times where good, but are only adding fuel to the fire during tough times.

    Reagan and JFK knew what was needed during such times, and how growth, prosperity and government coffers are filled at all times.

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    In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. The experience of a number of European countries and Japan have borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reduction in 1954 has borne this out. And the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget, and tax reduction can pave the way to that employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.

    I repeat: our practical choice is not between a tax-cut deficit and a budgetary surplus. It is between two kinds of deficits: a chronic deficit of inertia, as the unwanted result of inadequate revenues and a restricted economy; or a temporary deficit of transition, resulting from a tax cut designed to boost the economy, increase tax revenues, and achieve--and I believe this can be done--a budget surplus. The first type of deficit is a sign of waste and weakness; the second reflects an investment in the future.
    JFK sounds like Reagan, and he explains all the errors being made by Obi and his crew.

    "Things could be worse"... only gullibles and class warfare specialists believe that claptrap, and he has fewer motivated Gullibles than in 2008, plus many now understand what Hope & Change mean... it means, tax, spend, punish the wealth creators and regulate.

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But keep in mind the distinct possibility that things for many more people could be worse.

    We don't truly know what it's like to live in a depression. And we sure as heck won't care about a little defecit if we're all outta work and there are 1000's of homeless everywhere and people living in shacks.
    But since we really don't know what a Rep. Pres. and/or Rep. run Congress would have done if they would have had the reins these last 18 months instead of the Dems, then we really just have to look at what Obama and Congress has done that, not what might have happened. Chances are really good that Repubs. would have tried something to try to prevent a worse recession. We just don't know if their policies would have been better or worse than what the Dems did.

    I don't think the best judge of what Dems have/haven't done is the economy. If that was the only problem we had and the only policies the Dems affected, then many people who are disappointed might actually believe the "it could be worse" line. But a lot of people disagree with the other things they have done/are doing as well. From polls that I've seen, the Health Care bill is extremely unpopular. Everyone knows the HCB belonged completely to the Dems. I think more people would have been behind an actual Universal HealthCare bill, with government run healthcare, rather than what is seen as helping health insurance companies and a violation of freedom. Most people side with Arizona on their immigration crackdown, so by the Feds suing AZ over their new law, they seem to be trying to hinder efforts to actually stop illegal immigration. Even some of the financial bills look to be more helpful to big corporations and businesses that got themselves into their financial problems, rather than actually improving the lives of the less-financially-well-off Americans. It's easy to say that "it could have been worse" and more people could be without jobs if not for those bills and bailouts, but since the people who might have lost their jobs are still working, the public only sees the handouts. Plus, it wasn't just Republican policies that caused the recession and unemployment. Many people know this. It was a combination of policies from both parties. Yet, Dems are blaming the Repubs, and specifically Bush, for the entire failing economy. Some people are tired of the blame-game, from either side. I don't care who caused the problems. The people in office should be looking at all the things that caused them, making sure those policies are repealed/fixed, and working together to improve the situation.

    Most people do not fall completely in step with one party or another. There are some things the Dems could have done, and even could be doing, that would help their chances of keeping the majority in Congress, including improving education and educational opportunities, actually doing something to stop illegal immigration, doing something about DOMA (they are the Democratic Party afterall), and actually working with Republicans in office now, instead of over them. Listening to what their constituents actually do and don't want would be major as well. I'm sure there are many other things that would help that I just can't think of right now.
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