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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    While this may seem an apologist stance.

    One must admit, in the realm of possibility, is the notion that things could well indeed be worse, and I'd say that throughout history leaders very rarely get credit for avoiding crises considering we'll never know just how bad things could have gotten.

    If Obama hadn't of ordered the stimulus, and not spent any money at all on the problem. And unemployment was at 25% at their lowest estimates. I doubt conservatives would be sitting here saying "Bravo Mr. Obama for not doing any thing". No you'd be bitching about how h e didn't spend money. These are desperate times, I've heard rumblings that a secondary stimulus may be needed to avoid a secondary reseccion which this time, could be more severe. And no magically elected republicans, presidential or congressional are gonna be able to fix it with "tax cuts".

    I think people really underestimate just how severe and fragile our situation is. It will take a long time to see what Obamas impact is. Do not be so hasty to judge. The country didn't collapse as some of you predicted it would the day he got elected. And all these months later, she's still afloat... Is she not?


    Speculate much?


    What did the bailouts accomplish?

    What proof do you have we avoided disaster by giving money to GM for example?
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Speculate much?


    What did the bailouts accomplish?

    What proof do you have we avoided disaster by giving money to GM for example?
    Therein lies the problem i specifically alluded to in my first post. We can never truly know just how bad things could have gotten.

    But we've politicized even the speculation to such a degree nothing is clear.

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Therein lies the problem i specifically alluded to in my first post. We can never truly know just how bad things could have gotten.

    But we've politicized even the speculation to such a degree nothing is clear.



    I just know we are trillions of dollars in debt and things for many people are not good.
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What do you think will occur at midterms? Congress to be taken away from Dems?
    This is a combination of 1994 and 1976.

    We have the economic weakness of 1976 (not Stagflation but investors and business owners who have no clue what bomb will be dropped next, and an environment hostile to business) with a leader twice as clueless as Carter, and we have Congress actually passing a healthcare bill that wasn't read, wasn't wanted by the public (Scott Brown elected at this time), and Congress that isn't much trusted as they spend like drunks. It's all Democrat owned too.

    In 1994 Republicans didn't lose a Governorship, or Congressional seat. It was hilarious to watch the pundits on TV swallow that load. It was the political version of Shock & Awe.

    Obi has nothing positive to show for his 18-months in office, and that with Dems controlling both bits of Congress. Add to it his mishandling of numerous events, the fact the Mid East doesn't love us any more now than when Bush 43 was in office, that the Euro's think he's on the wrong track, that he keeps lecturing us what we cannot do, and that racial tensions have only increased many fold... for this supposed post racial president does not bode well... and that is only a fraction of his and his crew's misdeeds.

    Republicans are motivated... I don't see the same with D's... and the I's have abandoned Hope & Change... realizing it was Smoke & Mirrors.

    Expect the Dems to lose the house and now the senate is even in play.

    As for the OP... what else can Obi do but try such lame rhetoric. He's blown his wad and has zero to show for it.

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I just know we are trillions of dollars in debt and things for many people are not good.
    But keep in mind the distinct possibility that things for many more people could be worse.

    We don't truly know what it's like to live in a depression. And we sure as heck won't care about a little defecit if we're all outta work and there are 1000's of homeless everywhere and people living in shacks.

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But keep in mind the distinct possibility that things for many more people could be worse.
    In what situation throughout recorded history's worst times ... could things NOT have been worse? It's sort of silly really... things can ALWAYS be worse or ALWAYS be better.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But keep in mind the distinct possibility that things for many more people could be worse.
    I really don't see how crippling an economy is preventing things from getting worse. I was watching the market daily during the bailouts and every single time one of those windbags spoke of messing with the economy the bottom fell out from the market. As well, everyone knew these damn TARP programs were going to come with strings such as new and untenable regs., deficits, taxes, waste, and abuse......the market reacted in kind. Need more proof, Saturn and Pontiac no longer exist after the auto bailout, but the unions still have all of their perks. Chrysler is still kind of ****ed........GM's CEO was basically fired by the dumbkopf in the white house....... it's pretty much provable that things could have actually gotten better rather than worse if those egotistical dumb ****s in congress and the white house had stopped trying to micromanage everything.

    We don't truly know what it's like to live in a depression. And we sure as heck won't care about a little defecit if we're all outta work and there are 1000's of homeless everywhere and people living in shacks.
    Just ask those that grew up during the last one, some are still alive. In fact, there is theory stating that if the government had done nothing then that a depression could have been avoided in those days as well.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But keep in mind the distinct possibility that things for many more people could be worse.


    It's also possible the NY Rangers will win another cup in 40 years.



    We don't truly know what it's like to live in a depression. And we sure as heck won't care about a little defecit if we're all outta work and there are 1000's of homeless everywhere and people living in shacks.

    I know, such a small deficit, no worries. :
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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Ghosts of the carter years no?



    I personally think the democrats are in real trouble come this november. This notion of blame the last guy, played itself out a long time ago and people are no longer buying it....
    do you happen to remember the first couple of years of the reagan admin?

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    Re: Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do you happen to remember the first couple of years of the reagan admin?
    Major indeces were showing improvement in those days. These days all major market indeces are showing little to no actual predictable trending. It's pretty bad.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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