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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    What factual data do you have to back this up?

    Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to. Never mind
    'Factual data'? Are you really back for another beating? What factual 'data' would I need to say that this is nothing more than another bill created by Republicans to stroke their xenophobic base? Well let's see some other bills supported by Republicans this year shall we?

    Arizona bill targeting ethnic studies signed into law - Los Angeles Times

    Our Campaigns - News - Arizona Governor Takes Away State Domestic Partner Benefits Says 'God Has Placed Me in This Powerful Position' - Apr 28, 2010

    "A bill signed by Gov. Jan Brewer redefined a 'dependent,' canceling the rule change made by Gov. Janet Napolitano that allowed domestic partners to receive benefits. Also eliminated are children of domestic partners, full-time students ages 23-24 and disabled adult dependents. The legislation is in legal review. About 800 state employees are affected, according to the state's administration department...Liz Sawyer, a UA staff member, said the exclusion is 'deplorable and it's tragic.' Sawyer is a spokeswoman for OUTReach, a staff group that lobbies for domestic-partner benefits at UA. Last year 170 UA employees signed up for domestic-partner benefits, she said. Forty were same-sex couples and the remainder were unmarried, opposite-sex couples, she said."
    But you're part of xenophobic America. The same guy who inserts himself in talks about sex and asks what the sexual stimuli of gay men are like it's some sort of secret that science needs to reveal to the populace. What evidence would you need to see that this is one more law pandering to you? The fact that you support it so strongly is proof enough. You xenophobe.
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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since legal residents are under no threat from law enforcement in Arizona, they are not fleeing the state, they are exercising their constitutional freedom to re-locate to another state.

    If they're stupid and feel they're going to be targeted by cops for nothing, that's their problem. There's no Constitutional prohibition against stupidity.
    Because most of the illegals have family members who are legal, thus it causes significant stress on families by making it a significant crime to transport an illegal.
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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    'Factual data'? Are you really back for another beating?
    Step away from the mirror and talk to me directly

    What factual 'data' would I need to say that this is nothing more than another bill created by Republicans to stroke their xenophobic base? Well let's see some other bills supported by Republicans this year shall we?

    Arizona bill targeting ethnic studies signed into law - Los Angeles Times
    LOL I see you are ready for another beating.

    Lets look at this bill. The actual bill, not what the LA times says it is. See Hatuey, this is called doing your homework so pay attention:

    THE LEGISLATURE FINDS AND DECLARES THAT PUBLIC SCHOOL PUPILS SHOULD BE
    6 TAUGHT TO TREAT AND VALUE EACH OTHER AS INDIVIDUALS AND NOT BE TAUGHT TO
    7 RESENT OR HATE OTHER RACES OR CLASSES OF PEOPLE
    .


    Wow! Look at all that hate! LOL

    IN ITS PROGRAM OF INSTRUCTION ANY COURSES OR CLASSES THAT INCLUDE ANY OF THE
    11 FOLLOWING:
    12 1. PROMOTE THE OVERTHROW OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
    13 2. PROMOTE RESENTMENT TOWARD A RACE OR CLASS OF PEOPLE.
    14 3. ARE DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR PUPILS OF A PARTICULAR ETHNIC GROUP.
    15 4. ADVOCATE ETHNIC SOLIDARITY INSTEAD OF THE TREATMENT OF PUPILS AS
    16 INDIVIDUALS.


    So Hatuey, before you dig that enormous hole any deeper, explain how this is a bad thing. Go ahead, explain how not promoting a single race in a multi-racial society and forbidding teachings on overthrowing the government is just so damn racist.


    Next time try actually reading the bill before embarrassing yourself again.

    Now for my favorite...

    LOL Another far left nutjob article that you were too lazy to read. Do you have any idea how stupid you look when you only read the title of this article?

    Her quote:


    "Gov. Jan Brewer said Wednesday that she believes 'God has placed me in this powerful position as Arizona's governor' to help the state weather its troubles. In a wide-ranging speech on the role of religion in politics and in her life, Brewer detailed to a group of pastors of the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church how she relies on her faith and in prayer to deal with many of the issues she faces as the state's chief executive.

    was NOT about the domestic partnership bill. But of course you would actually have to READ the article and follow the source to know that.


    Do you have any IDEA how many politicians have said God has helped them?

    How about Slick Willy?

    But I believe that to be forgiven, more than sorrow is required - at least two more things. First, genuine repentance - a determination to change and to repair breaches of my own making. I have repented. Second, what my bible calls a ''broken spirit''; an understanding that I must have God's help to be the person that I want to be; a willingness to give the very forgiveness I seek; a renunciation of the pride and the anger which cloud judgment, lead people to excuse and compare and to blame and complain.

    I know you are a hater of religious people but the sheer stupidity of you and that article trying to relate an overall point in a general speech to a specific issue you are crying about is beyond foolish.

    Oh and BTW, since not homosexuals are not a race there goes your bull**** theory that this was based on race.

    But you're part of xenophobic America. The same guy who inserts himself in talks about sex and asks what the sexual stimuli of gay men are like it's some sort of secret that science needs to reveal to the populace.
    Anytime you would like to relive your beating on basic sex ed you just let me know

    What evidence would you need to see that this is one more law pandering to you? The fact that you support it so strongly is proof enough. You xenophobe.
    Gee how about DIRECT QUOTES from Republicans who wrote and voted on the bill that the goal is to get rid of all the brownies as you claim?

    Oh thats right you have NONE ZERO ZIP NADA. Just your own stupidity and bigotry against those who don't agree with you. Good to see you haven't changed a bit Hatuey.

    I like it when you're so easy to expose and defeat but next time try not to be so transparently ignorant about your own articles
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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well that was the goal of the entire bill. Make sure the brownies felt threatened. One more bill pandering to xenophobic America. The same kind which blames being paid $7.25 an hour on Mexicans and computer techs in Bangladesh.
    No. Clearly the goal of the bill was to allow the police the power to arrest criminals violating a specific law.

    That's what laws do.

    If the legislators of Arizona wanted the brownies to leave the state, wouldn't they have first outlawed bakeries and school bake sales?

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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Because most of the illegals have family members who are legal, thus it causes significant stress on families by making it a significant crime to transport an illegal.
    What a shame. People harboring a criminal might feel some constraint from the law for their actions.

    My heart doesn't seem to want to bleed for them.

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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Step away from the mirror and talk to me directly
    I am. You're getting owned, so I can just smell the bolded paragraphs taken out of context coming.

    LOL I see you are ready for another beating.

    Lets look at this bill. The actual bill, not what the LA times says it is. See Hatuey, this is called doing your homework so pay attention:

    THE LEGISLATURE FINDS AND DECLARES THAT PUBLIC SCHOOL PUPILS SHOULD BE
    6 TAUGHT TO TREAT AND VALUE EACH OTHER AS INDIVIDUALS AND NOT BE TAUGHT TO
    7 RESENT OR HATE OTHER RACES OR CLASSES OF PEOPLE
    .


    Wow! Look at all that hate! LOL

    IN ITS PROGRAM OF INSTRUCTION ANY COURSES OR CLASSES THAT INCLUDE ANY OF THE
    11 FOLLOWING:
    12 1. PROMOTE THE OVERTHROW OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
    13 2. PROMOTE RESENTMENT TOWARD A RACE OR CLASS OF PEOPLE.
    14 3. ARE DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR PUPILS OF A PARTICULAR ETHNIC GROUP.
    15 4. ADVOCATE ETHNIC SOLIDARITY INSTEAD OF THE TREATMENT OF PUPILS AS
    16 INDIVIDUALS.


    So Hatuey, before you dig that enormous hole any deeper, explain how this is a bad thing. Go ahead, explain how not promoting a single race in a multi-racial society and forbidding teachings on overthrowing the government is just so damn racist.
    Ah so your inability to actually understand the difference between what a bill says and what a bill does comes shinning through. Here I'll explain it to you:

    [B][U]3. ARE DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR PUPILS OF A PARTICULAR ETHNIC GROUP. 4. ADVOCATE ETHNIC SOLIDARITY INSTEAD OF THE TREATMENT OF PUPILS AS
    INDIVIDUALS.

    D. ACTIONS TAKEN UNDER THIS SECTION ARE SUBJECT TO APPEAL PURSUANT TO TITLE 41, CHAPTER 6, ARTICLE 10.
    E. THIS SECTION SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO RESTRICT OR PROHIBIT:
    1. COURSES OR CLASSES FOR NATIVE AMERICAN PUPILS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW.
    2. THE GROUPING OF PUPILS ACCORDING TO ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE, INCLUDING CAPABILITY IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, THAT MAY RESULT IN A DISPARATE IMPACT BY ETHNICITY.
    3. COURSES OR CLASSES THAT INCLUDE THE HISTORY OF ANY ETHNIC GROUP AND THAT ARE OPEN TO ALL STUDENTS, UNLESS THE COURSE OR CLASS VIOLATES SUBSECTION A.
    4. COURSES OR CLASSES THAT INCLUDE THE DISCUSSION OF CONTROVERSIAL ASPECTS OF HISTORY.
    F. NOTHING IN THIS SECTION SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO RESTRICT OR PROHIBIT THE INSTRUCTION OF THE HOLOCAUST, ANY OTHER INSTANCE OF GENOCIDE, OR THE HISTORICAL OPPRESSION OF A PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE BASED ON ETHNICITY, RACE, OR CLASS.
    What do we have? The same xenophobic double speak you're so accostumed to and support so feverishly. A class cannot teach about ethnic solidarity but it can teach about the struggles of a particular group. A struggle which no group has historically overcome without ethnic solidarity. See my point yet? Obviously you do not.

    Next time try actually reading the bill before embarrassing yourself again.

    Now for my favorite...



    LOL Another far left nutjob article that you were too lazy to read. Do you have any idea how stupid you look when you only read the title of this article?

    Her quote:

    "Gov. Jan Brewer said Wednesday that she believes 'God has placed me in this powerful position as Arizona's governor' to help the state weather its troubles. In a wide-ranging speech on the role of religion in politics and in her life, Brewer detailed to a group of pastors of the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church how she relies on her faith and in prayer to deal with many of the issues she faces as the state's chief executive.

    was NOT about the domestic partnership bill. But of course you would actually have to READ the article and follow the source to know that.


    Do you have any IDEA how many politicians have said God has helped them?

    How about Slick Willy?

    But I believe that to be forgiven, more than sorrow is required - at least two more things. First, genuine repentance - a determination to change and to repair breaches of my own making. I have repented. Second, what my bible calls a ''broken spirit''; an understanding that I must have God's help to be the person that I want to be; a willingness to give the very forgiveness I seek; a renunciation of the pride and the anger which cloud judgment, lead people to excuse and compare and to blame and complain.

    I know you are a hater of religious people but the sheer stupidity of you and that article trying to relate an overall point in a general speech to a specific issue you are crying about is beyond foolish.
    What the hell are you talking about? I'm not talking about her quote you empty headed retard from Texas. I'm talking about the actual bill. This one?

    State drops domestic-partner benefits

    Oh and BTW, since not homosexuals are not a race there goes your bull**** theory that this was based on race.
    Do you know what xenophobia means? Here I'll bring it up for you:

    xenophobia - definition of xenophobia by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    xen·o·phobe (zn-fb, zn-)
    n.
    A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
    Anytime you would like to relive your beating on basic sex ed you just let me know
    Yes yes, I know, your sexual stimuli are hamsters. Got it.

    Gee how about DIRECT QUOTES from Republicans who wrote and voted on the bill that the goal is to get rid of all the brownies as you claim?

    Oh thats right you have NONE ZERO ZIP NADA. Just your own stupidity and bigotry against those who don't agree with you. Good to see you haven't changed a bit Hatuey.

    I like it when you're so easy to expose and defeat but next time try not to be so transparently ignorant about your own articles
    Good lord, so what do we have so far? That you, a xenophobe, who doesn't know what xenophobia means but is convinced that being afraid of gay people could not possibly make him one because they're not a race, is supporting a bill targetting xenophobes like himself. Seriously, have you even followed the conversation? You started your usual undecypherable ramblings about quotes from Republicans when we're talking about bills. Not quotes, BILLS, signed in order to please the same xenophobic mentality you are enslaved to. Do I really have to call your parents to come pick you up? You're embarrasing yourself.
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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Because most of the illegals have family members who are legal, thus it causes significant stress on families by making it a significant crime to transport an illegal.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 07-26-10 at 02:55 AM.
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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    Hatuey:
    I would respond, but I have to stop laughing first. But I see your a liberal.

    What part of illegal don't you understand? As far as legal people in Arizona, if they are so paranoid they want to leave, that is their choice. So, please send your donations to AZ to pay for the illegals.
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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well that was the goal of the entire bill. Make sure the brownies felt threatened. One more bill pandering to xenophobic America. The same kind which blames being paid $7.25 an hour on Mexicans and computer techs in Bangladesh.
    wait, so are the illegal mexicans immigrating illegally 'cause they're brown? or are they brown because they immigrate illegally?
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    Re: Migrants sell up, flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

    I find it humorous that a liberal is the one using racial epitaphs when talking about illegal Mexicans. I thought liberals were for tolerance and understanding.

    It looks like the law is having its intended effect on the illegal immigrants in Arizona. The problem is that they will go to another state.

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