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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    As long as everyone is aware that space belongs to the U.S. It's already our moon.
    It is not our moon. We have not done **** with the moon that any other country cannot do in a year if it wanted to.

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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What could possibly make abiogenesis "only able to happen once?" What, the moment the first proteins formed they sent out some sort of magical disruption signal to the entire rest of the universe that ends the same process elsewhere?
    Frankly, Deuce, it is attitudes like that that hold back scientific progress. If there was something about abiogenesis that made it so it could only happen once, there wouldn't be anything magical about it. What you're doing is ruling out a potential natural hypothesis without any evidence whatsoever, and this, my friend, is magical thinking.

    You said it yourself, we don't know that there's other life out there. More to the point, we don't have any evidence to think it is probable or even possible. What information do you have that, in principle, abiogenesis must be able to happen elsewhere? What information do you have that, if it is possible to occur elsewhere, the degree of likelihood is less than the number of stars?

    What those "simple laws of probability" you talk about actually tell us is that if we can't fill in the variables then we can't know what the probability is. Do you know what the likelihood of abiogenesis occurring on an Earthlike planet is? If you do, please stop holding out on us and go claim your Nobel prize. If you don't, then it is unscientific to speculate, you're just guessing.
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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Hundreds of new planets have been discovered by Nasa's new space probe, sparking new hope of life outside our solar system.

    Up to 140 of the newly-found planets are rocky and Earth-like containing both land and water, conditions which could allow simple lifeforms to develop.

    The Kepler probe - which constantly monitors more than 150,000 stars for tell-tale signs of planets orbiting them - also may have found five new solar systems, Nasa said.
    I'd feel nothing but sympathy for any other alien species that will have to come into contact with the human race in the future.
    I would bet money that if we ever did find another life, even if it was intelligent but not as advanced. Exploitation would most likely soon follow.
    We can barely control ourselves on Earth, imagine us in space. o.O

    Saying that, find other planets that are similar to Earth. Gotta have an escape plan for when we really **** up.
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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Frankly, Deuce, it is attitudes like that that hold back scientific progress. If there was something about abiogenesis that made it so it could only happen once, there wouldn't be anything magical about it. What you're doing is ruling out a potential natural hypothesis without any evidence whatsoever, and this, my friend, is magical thinking.

    You said it yourself, we don't know that there's other life out there. More to the point, we don't have any evidence to think it is probable or even possible. What information do you have that, in principle, abiogenesis must be able to happen elsewhere? What information do you have that, if it is possible to occur elsewhere, the degree of likelihood is less than the number of stars?

    What those "simple laws of probability" you talk about actually tell us is that if we can't fill in the variables then we can't know what the probability is. Do you know what the likelihood of abiogenesis occurring on an Earthlike planet is? If you do, please stop holding out on us and go claim your Nobel prize. If you don't, then it is unscientific to speculate, you're just guessing.
    I think I'd fall somewhere between the two of you.

    It's immensely unlikely that there is any reason why abiogenesis could only happen once - after all, deterministic mechanics (and pretty much quantum, too) says that any act can on principle always be repeated. However, we don't know the probability that abiogenesis has only happened once. It could be we're a one-in-a-googolplex lucky chance, or it could be theres at least one form of life per star. I'd tend closer towards the latter, but it's impossible to tell.
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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    It is not our moon. We have not done **** with the moon that any other country cannot do in a year if it wanted to.
    I believe our flag got posted first. It's ours and we should set up toll stations for anyone wishing to go beyond it. By the way, you implied that "any other country" can go to the moon "in a year?" I think you are probably wrong about that. Perhaps not though. Surely the NASA of Rwanda is about to make a breakthrough.
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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Saying that, find other planets that are similar to Earth. Gotta have an escape plan for when we really **** up.
    On the backs of American Space Shuttles and Space Stations. I hope they put me in charge of filtering the rift raft. I'd have to personally interview every Frenchman for a start.

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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    It is not our moon. We have not done **** with the moon that any other country cannot do in a year if it wanted to.

    Granted that we haven't necessarily done anything giving us a reasonable claim to the whole moon, BUT...

    There isn't a country on Earth INCLUDING the US that could go to the moon within one year. There is definately no country on earth that could send as many men to the moon as we did within the next ten years other than the USA itself, and if we did it would require a new and serious committment to space exploration.

    Heck, 3/4'ths of the world couldn't even get a small satellite in orbit if you gave them the next ten years to do it in, let alone put an unmanned probe on the moon, let alone send a manned vessel... let alone send several as we did.

    But if we don't get off our asses and get busy, in 2100 the Chinese are going to be mining radioactives and rare metals from the asteroids, and scooping He3 from Saturn's atmosphere, and telling us to buzz off 'cuz it's their solar system...

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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Granted that we haven't necessarily done anything giving us a reasonable claim to the whole moon, BUT...

    There isn't a country on Earth INCLUDING the US that could go to the moon within one year. There is definately no country on earth that could send as many men to the moon as we did within the next ten years other than the USA itself, and if we did it would require a new and serious committment to space exploration.

    Heck, 3/4'ths of the world couldn't even get a small satellite in orbit if you gave them the next ten years to do it in, let alone put an unmanned probe on the moon, let alone send a manned vessel... let alone send several as we did.

    But if we don't get off our asses and get busy, in 2100 the Chinese are going to be mining radioactives and rare metals from the asteroids, and scooping He3 from Saturn's atmosphere, and telling us to buzz off 'cuz it's their solar system...
    There are a lot of private enterprises developing this stuff here.
    You don't hear about it as much because the Chinese still use a state funded agency to get their junk off the ground.
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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    On the backs of American Space Shuttles and Space Stations. I hope they put me in charge of filtering the rift raft. I'd have to personally interview every Frenchman for a start.
    Last time I checked, major space efforts like the ISS were international operations with joint science teams.

    They will be on the moon too. Sorry to rain on your Euro-hate parade.

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