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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Humanity is not going to make meaningful strides into space until its social development arrives at a more stable place. With all of the resources we are putting into war, political deception, consumerism and manufacturing of useless things, and destruction of our planet, far less effort and energy is going toward better understanding our universe. I don't deny that discoveries are being made but we are running on a clock right now; we have to arrive at the most important discoveries before our time is up.

    Much more of humanity needs to be on board for this to be practical, and personally, I would rather not see humans enter into meaningful space travel until we have learned to control our basic instincts such as greed, fear, violence, etc. We would only do damage to the universe and our impulses would likely jeopardize any meaningful discoveries we make out there.

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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Dave Attell on why we won't ever explore much of space.

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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Humanity is not going to make meaningful strides into space until its social development arrives at a more stable place. With all of the resources we are putting into war, political deception, consumerism and manufacturing of useless things, and destruction of our planet, far less effort and energy is going toward better understanding our universe. I don't deny that discoveries are being made but we are running on a clock right now; we have to arrive at the most important discoveries before our time is up.

    Much more of humanity needs to be on board for this to be practical, and personally, I would rather not see humans enter into meaningful space travel until we have learned to control our basic instincts such as greed, fear, violence, etc. We would only do damage to the universe and our impulses would likely jeopardize any meaningful discoveries we make out there.

    Dude, that would be approximately never.

    Humanity is not perfectable. Greed, fear and violence are inherent in our nature and will never be entirely or even largely eradicated. War, in some fashion, is going to be with us forever, even if its forms change a great deal.

    The "damage we are doing to the Earth" is vastly overstated. All of humanity and all our works are minescule compared to this planet; doing damage to the universe is mightly unlikely.

    Yet at the same time I think you give humanity far too little credit. For sixty years we've had the means to inflict megadeath in the form of full-scale nuclear war, yet we have refrained. Our industry (in the modernized West at least) is clean as a whistle compared to what it was like in 1900, and we get better at it every decade. We've managed to avoid having any more wars on the scale of WW2 for sixty years as well.

    Just because everyone isn't jumping on the socialist and environmental-extremist-panic bandwagons doesn't mean we're the interstellar equivalent of neanderthal baboons. Just because the movie Avatar chose to portray us as heartless greedy bastards who wouldn't care about native sapients doesn't mean that is how it would really be.

    Wow, a generation of enviromental-extremism being taught to schoolkids has really done untold damage... I hadn't realized just how deep this self-hatred of humanity ran.

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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And guess what? 140 of the new planets found seem to have both land and water.



    And this is just a small survey of a very small piece of the sky.

    We are NOT alone in the Universe, but we might as well be. Even if there was an advanced civilization at Proxima Centauri, our closest star, the distance makes meaningful communication a meaningless concept. And what about the planet that have been found? They are hundreds, if not thousands of times this distance.

    We are NOT alone in the Universe, but we ARE, which is plenty reason to take care of what we have. We are not going anywhere anytime soon, so responsible stewardship of the Earth is absolutely essential to our well being and long term survival.

    Article is here.
    You mean we cannot deport Obama and his Chicago thugs to another planet.

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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Dude, that would be approximately never.

    Humanity is not perfectable. Greed, fear and violence are inherent in our nature and will never be entirely or even largely eradicated. War, in some fashion, is going to be with us forever, even if its forms change a great deal.

    The "damage we are doing to the Earth" is vastly overstated. All of humanity and all our works are minescule compared to this planet; doing damage to the universe is mightly unlikely.

    Yet at the same time I think you give humanity far too little credit. For sixty years we've had the means to inflict megadeath in the form of full-scale nuclear war, yet we have refrained. Our industry (in the modernized West at least) is clean as a whistle compared to what it was like in 1900, and we get better at it every decade. We've managed to avoid having any more wars on the scale of WW2 for sixty years as well.

    Just because everyone isn't jumping on the socialist and environmental-extremist-panic bandwagons doesn't mean we're the interstellar equivalent of neanderthal baboons. Just because the movie Avatar chose to portray us as heartless greedy bastards who wouldn't care about native sapients doesn't mean that is how it would really be.

    Wow, a generation of enviromental-extremism being taught to schoolkids has really done untold damage... I hadn't realized just how deep this self-hatred of humanity ran.
    It is shocking just how indoctrination works, but in fairness we were also indoctrinated to some extent.

    Anyway, on your opening comment, I too feel as though these human traits aren't going away anytime soon. Much to the dismay of our liberal friends, there will be no mass utopian delusion, and all of a sudden everyone on Earth will get along. It's not going to happen that way. It's going to be a bloody mess, and only the strongest most motivated demographic will be left standing, and to some extent, this has always been our destiny. I'm in the camp that thinks freedom, and liberty are important virtues, so I'm pulling for the good guys. The tyrannical, or oppressive will have their say, but I'm guessing (Betting actually) that we are more motivated than them, and certainly smart enough to know that pity-propaganda although working presently, will not last long enough to see freedoms total demise.


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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The "damage we are doing to the Earth" is vastly overstated. All of humanity and all our works are minescule compared to this planet; doing damage to the universe is mightly unlikely.
    This is a mixture of true and not true. If you look at the land-covered sections of earth's surface (not including ice caps), something like 75% of it owes it's appearence to us. We've caused mass extinctions, nearly destroyed the ozone layer, and are causing global warming. We've created dust bowls, more prarie than you can shake a cow at, and possibly an ice age.

    However, we're also very good at conserving things if we think about it before acting. That's the thing to work on.

    EDIT: If you're interested, I heartily recommend watching the last in the series of How The Earth Changed History. The whole series is fascinating, each episode looking at how one of the four elements (earth/air/water/fire) have shaped the course of human development; the fifth and final one looks at how we have shaped the planet. Really interesting watching.
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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    This is a mixture of true and not true. If you look at the land-covered sections of earth's surface (not including ice caps), something like 75% of it owes it's appearence to us. We've caused mass extinctions, nearly destroyed the ozone layer, and are causing global warming. We've created dust bowls, more prarie than you can shake a cow at, and possibly an ice age.

    However, we're also very good at conserving things if we think about it before acting. That's the thing to work on.
    We're not causing global warming. You use the term mass extinctions incorrectly, and an Ice Age is barely defineable by the most trained scientists.

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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    We're not causing global warming. You use the term mass extinctions incorrectly, and an Ice Age is barely defineable by the most trained scientists.

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    The mass extinctions happened a long time ago - don't think I'm talking about modern times.

    As for the other two - I'll see you in the appropriate forum. Suffice to say that, speaking of trained scientists, the vast majority of those very same think that AGW is a solid theory.
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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Dude, that would be approximately never.
    You live in America so I can understand why you would hold this belief.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Greed, fear and violence are inherent in our nature and will never be entirely or even largely eradicated. War, in some fashion, is going to be with us forever, even if its forms change a great deal.
    No one said anything about eradicating those baser instincts. I said learn to control them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The "damage we are doing to the Earth" is vastly overstated. All of humanity and all our works are minescule compared to this planet; doing damage to the universe is mightly unlikely.
    The world's biggest mass extinction since the age of the dinosaurs is underway, and it's our fault. Human illness is increasing. We are destroying our own source of life. This is irrefutable from a scientific standpoint.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yet at the same time I think you give humanity far too little credit. For sixty years we've had the means to inflict megadeath in the form of full-scale nuclear war, yet we have refrained. Our industry (in the modernized West at least) is clean as a whistle compared to what it was like in 1900, and we get better at it every decade. We've managed to avoid having any more wars on the scale of WW2 for sixty years as well.
    That's very true, but I would also argue that the only reason why no one is using the nuclear bomb is because it would mean their own anhilation. Self-preservation trumps enemy hatred in most cases. If there were a way to use the bomb without consequence, you bet it would be happening already. That is the whole reason why deterrence works.

    I don't mean to imply that we are not making progress at all, just that our progress is, I think, a bit overstated sometimes. We think that technology means we have improved significantly, but in a lot of ways humans are behaving exactly the same as they did 500-1000 years ago. The scenery has changed, not much else. We do have a chance to do it right this time though, I hope our leaders step up to the plate instead of giving in to those baser instincts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Just because everyone isn't jumping on the socialist and environmental-extremist-panic bandwagons doesn't mean we're the interstellar equivalent of neanderthal baboons.
    Woah... this comment is a bit out of left field.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Just because the movie Avatar chose to portray us as heartless greedy bastards who wouldn't care about native sapients doesn't mean that is how it would really be.
    That movie sucked. The series is way better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Wow, a generation of enviromental-extremism being taught to schoolkids has really done untold damage... I hadn't realized just how deep this self-hatred of humanity ran.
    I don't hate humanity. I hope for the best, but I'm a realist. We aren't doing well right now. I am a firm believer that we live in degenerate times. Most of the things that humans could do in order to live a peaceful, undisturbed existence with steady, stable progress, we are not doing. In fact, we are usually doing the exact opposite.
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    Re: Prospect of life in deep space as Nasa probe finds hundreds of new planets

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    This is a mixture of true and not true. If you look at the land-covered sections of earth's surface (not including ice caps), something like 75% of it owes it's appearence to us. We've caused mass extinctions, nearly destroyed the ozone layer, and are causing global warming. We've created dust bowls, more prarie than you can shake a cow at, and possibly an ice age.

    However, we're also very good at conserving things if we think about it before acting. That's the thing to work on.

    EDIT: If you're interested, I heartily recommend watching the last in the series of How The Earth Changed History. The whole series is fascinating, each episode looking at how one of the four elements (earth/air/water/fire) have shaped the course of human development; the fifth and final one looks at how we have shaped the planet. Really interesting watching.
    Some 75% of the planet is inhabited by humans?! That cannot be right. Humans take up small places if you did research on how the land in the states is used. You'd understand that-the numbers are something like this-humans are not that all significant, for example 35% of the US is forests another 35% is farms, 28% is commercial, industry, roads, etc and where humans live is 2%. And we are a nation that is spread all over the place and by that I mean we have homes and stuff bigger than what most nations live in. Most of the world live in squaler and are dependent on food aid, some like 25% of nations need to import their food.

    WE CAN use science to replace farms, that would free up at least 30-42% of the land right there and would add more forests for your precious animals. However, extinctions are not because humans are encroaching on the land of animals-animals can live anywhere-its that humans go into forests, jungles, etc looking for animals to kill for the amount of money their furs, scent are worth in the black market. The truth is that if we helped developed more nations by economic means so those people do not have to resort to a life of crime. We can see some real change. But regardless if every nation developed to a first world nation there still would be much crime because we are humans. And we cannot shun the natural instincts in us no matter how hard we try.

    But we are different from other mammals. That is why we can use science to better the world for all of us to live in.

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