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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Actually Pete I think it was clear to anyone from the beginning, including to you, that the activists were the ones behind the violence on the ship.
    It's just that there are those who even in the face of a video showing the activists beating soldiers up with crowbars and knives would prefer to deny the truth for the sake of their campaign of propaganda against the Israeli state.
    Had actually forgotten I had posted here.. so here goes.

    Deny the truth? Give me a break. I want all the facts, and I mean ALL. I want to know when the IDF troops hit the ship and how many if any of the people on board were already dead. I want to know what injuries the IDF troops had and what injuries the people had. I want all documents, all video, all pictures and so on.. but are we going to get that? No of course not, since Israel has with held most of it so far and refuse to release much of it. Hell there is a Swedish writer who was on the boat who had his latest novel seized (on his laptop) and he has yet to get it back! We want all the information, not the selective IDF facts that we are being spoonfed by the IDF nor the selective facts of the organisers.

    You are talking about the truth, and yet you are the one that is spreading the propaganda of the IDF and demeaning any independent investigation .. why? is it because the IDF and Israeli government refuse to cooperate.. yet again?
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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    I think this might be the one thing we agree on. I knew Israel was full of **** on this issue when they showed photos of all the "weapons" they found on the ship. Anyone can make a bunch of kitchen knives and monkey wrenches look like weapons if you pile them all together. There was even a ****ING ANCHOR in that picure.
    Anyone can make a knives and clubs look like weapons when we have the mother ****ing video of the peaceful flotilla members stabbing and beating Israeli weapons inspectors with them.

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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Israel should be held accountable for what they've done to Gaza.
    Hamas should be held responsible for what they are doing to the citizens of Gaza.

    Do not expect the UN to propose an investigation into Hamas tactics which include among others, an unwillingness to accept previously signed treaties.

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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Anyone can make a knives and clubs look like weapons when we have the mother ****ing video of the peaceful flotilla members stabbing and beating Israeli weapons inspectors with them.
    The Dane, the UN and the like don't care about the truth... They just want an excuse to attack Israel on the international stage.
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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    UN names flotilla inquiry panel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    Hopefully this will spur some answers about the incident.
    And what questions do you find to be currently unanswered?
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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You are talking about the truth, and yet you are the one that is spreading the propaganda of the IDF and demeaning any independent investigation .. why? is it because the IDF and Israeli government refuse to cooperate.. yet again?
    Independent investigation =/= international investigation.
    In your crusade of hatred towards the Jewish state you have taken away its trait as a democracy and refuse to believe that an independent inquiry led by Israelis would reach the truth as it was.
    The evidence released by the IDF, the footage videos, and even the ones released by the activists, indicate that the activists were behind the violence and have planned it all along, something which should be clear when the violence is only limited to one single boat out of the 6 boats, and when the injured are limited to only one single nationality.
    I repeat my statement that you obviously know just as good as the other guy that the activists have planned to incite violence, yet you choose to promote propaganda instead.
    Last edited by Apocalypse; 07-26-10 at 04:16 AM.
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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Independent investigation =/= international investigation.
    In your crusade of hatred towards the Jewish state you have taken away its trait as a democracy and refuse to believe that an independent inquiry led by Israelis would reach the truth as it was.
    Just because a country is a democracy does not mean that it can not hide the truth for its own benefit. Unlike you, I have no blind faith in the state. Time and time again, we see democratic states hide evidence to show the world a certain point of view to justify everything from internal policy to external. Remember the Vietnam war and how it started? all based on a lie and because the US government hid the evidence. And like it or not, it is not the first time that the IDF has moulded evidence to fit the view point they have on a situation.

    The evidence released by the IDF, the footage videos, and even the ones released by the activists, indicate that the activists were behind the violence and have planned it all along, something which should be clear when the violence is only limited to one single boat out of the 6 boats, and when the injured are limited to only one single nationality.
    And the evidence released by Beierbart showed that Shirley Sherrod was a racist... ups!. Evidence released by Fox News showed Kerry and Fonda in the same picture at an anti-Vietnam war march... ups.. that was fake.

    I repeat my statement that you obviously know just as good as the other guy that the activists have planned to incite violence, yet you choose to promote propaganda instead.
    And I repeat my statement I want all the evidence so we can create a credible time line to show WHEN the violence started and by who. All you have is edited footage showing people either defending themselves or attacking IDF troops.. it is a fine line, and not having all the information means only the most biased hacks can make a conclusions on what happened. All we can be confident on is that the IDF murdered 9 people.
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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Just because a country is a democracy does not mean that it can not hide the truth for its own benefit.
    No, but the country is not managing the inquiry, it's an independent inquiry.
    The reason why you see it in a bad eye is because the independent inquiry is managed by Israelis, that is the truth.
    Time and time again, we see democratic states hide evidence to show the world a certain point of view to justify everything from internal policy to external. Remember the Vietnam war and how it started? all based on a lie and because the US government hid the evidence. And like it or not, it is not the first time that the IDF has moulded evidence to fit the view point they have on a situation.
    The IDF has taken cameras and photos because they might include pictures of the soldiers, pictures that the activists could spread on the media, and some of them did.
    Those soldiers are commandos and their identity must be kept a secret.
    All of the evidence captured on the ship would be brought however and presented in front of the Turkel inquiry.
    Besides that, the video of one hour+- released by one of the activists indicates the same thing that the footage videos showing the activists beating the soldiers do.
    And I repeat my statement I want all the evidence so we can create a credible time line to show WHEN the violence started and by who.
    You personally won't get the evidence, you have no right to such evidence and you won't see it, the Turkel inquiry will see the evidence and will decide from it on what really happened.
    All you have is edited footage showing people either defending themselves or attacking IDF troops.
    BS, it shows activists attacking soldiers and the soldiers not replying with live ammunition, it shows that the soldiers have acted with restraint and it backs their claim that they've only used live ammunition once that was directed towards them.
    and not having all the information means only the most biased hacks can make a conclusions on what happened. All we can be confident on is that the IDF murdered 9 people.
    I see you label yourself as "the most biased hack", since you're saying that only they can make a conclusion, and here you are making a conclusion that those 9 were murdered by the IDF.
    I think there's enough evidence to back the claim that the activists have incited the violence, and I have a lot to base that on unlike your own baseless conclusions.
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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    UN names flotilla inquiry panel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    Hopefully this will spur some answers about the incident.
    What answers?
    What a bloody waste of the UN's time.
    It can't spend the time on y'know perhaps the crazy midget with the nuke? Or E Africa and the Uganda incident? Or a million other more important issues?
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    Re: UN names flotilla inquiry panel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    They wont because Israel will stonewall them and deny access to evidence (Israel has yet to return the personal effects from the boat...), all in while declaring the UN are biased against them and blam Hamas or even the UN for the action they were "forced" to do.

    In the mean time the Israeli "investigation" will clear them fully of anything illegal as they almost always do the first time. It is usually when Israel is exposed in a lie that the "investigations" actually find patsy to charge.

    And in the mean time, as you can see in this thread, the usual suspects will spread the normal IDF propaganda to slur the actual truth and in the end when that does not work, call people opposed to their views for anti-semtic jew haters and worse.... they have after all already started in the second post made.

    Same old same old in that conflict and on these boards.
    Where did V say someone was worse than an anti-semitic jew hater? Let me see your proof right now. Again, your hackery is like a black cloud over you. It's the first and only dabate tactic you have.
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