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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    As far as the issue goes, rules are rules. He broke them and needs to pay the consequences, regardless of how he feels about them.

    As far as whether DADT negatively affects the military, I think there is no consensus on that. Other countries have folks serving who are openly gay without problems, but I do understand issues of unit cohesion.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

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    A poster starts a thread and presents either an opinion or question. SOP at DP is that members can either discuss the article, what the poster has presented, or both. YourStar has asked a question that references the OP's question. Valid and viable in this thread, as the OP presented it. If you only want to discuss the article, that's fine, but her question ABSOLUTELY references the OP. Discuss or not discuss is your choice. But claiming that it is not part of the OP is incorrect.
    Not allowing gays in the millitary just because of their sexuality is equally abhorrent as racism. It's the same story with a different group... Gays should not just be allowed to serve but should also be a part of the draft. Actually, even women should be part of the draft too, but that's another thread altogether.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As far as whether DADT negatively affects the military, I think there is no consensus on that. Other countries have folks serving who are openly gay without problems, but I do understand issues of unit cohesion.
    Do you agree as Choi said in the video that Honesty is one of the core values that promote commaraderie and unit cohesion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Not allowing gays in the millitary just because of their sexuality is equally abhorrent as racism. It's the same story with a different group... Gays should not just be allowed to serve but should also be a part of the draft. Actually, even women should be part of the draft too, but that's another thread altogether.
    If gays are allowed to serve openly in the military, then they should definitely be a part of the draft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Do you agree as Choi said in the video that Honesty is one of the core values that promote commaraderie and unit cohesion?
    Integrity is important for unit cohesion, which he is lacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Do you agree as Choi said in the video that Honesty is one of the core values that promote commaraderie and unit cohesion?
    Sure. But there are other things to consider, too. I don't agree with DADT, and think it should be repealed, but I also see how other issues could factor into unit cohesion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Integrity is important for unit cohesion, which he is lacking.
    One could say he has a great deal of integrity because he chose to be honest despite the consequences. His integrity does not come into question with him violating the uniform regulation. I would think his violation by wearing the uniform would have more to say about his submission to authority than it does about his integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    One could say he has a great deal of integrity because he chose to be honest despite the consequences. His integrity does not come into question with him violating the uniform regulation. I would think his violation by wearing the uniform would have more to say about his submission to authority than it does about his integrity.
    But, he wasn't honest upon joining the Army. He knowingly violated the DoD's ban on gays serving in the military. The pinnacle of integrity would have dictated that he refused to join the Army, because the DoD doesn't allow gays to serve in the military, or adhered to DADT.

    But, that's not even close to what he did. He tried to say that breaking the rules is some how an exhibition of integrity.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, he wasn't honest upon joining the Army.
    How can you say that? Did the Army ask him if he was gay? Did he lie at MEPS and tell them he was a heterosexual in response to their questions? I wasn't aware they even asked about that...in fact, half of DADT is...*gasp* "Don't Ask".

    So again, how does this affect his integrity?

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, he wasn't honest upon joining the Army. He knowingly violated the DoD's ban on gays serving in the military. The pinnacle of integrity would have dictated that he refused to join the Army, because the DoD doesn't allow gays to serve in the military, or adhered to DADT.

    But, that's not even close to what he did. He tried to say that breaking the rules is some how an exhibition of integrity.
    Do you even understand DADT? He did not "knowingly violate DADT" when he joined. This post makes ZERO sense.
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