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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    It "Strengthens" the military for the same reason the pushing out of McChrystal "strengthened" it in many peoples mind...the belief that the Military functions on a set of standards and rules that are universal and must be followed for an orderly military to be possible, and an orderly military is the best. Allow rules to be violated and you invite disorder, discord, and discontent.

    That said, the better question would be how does this RULE strengthen the military when it causes individuals like this to be pushed out, not simply asking how does this particular case strengthen it or not.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So dude, how does breaking the rules strengthen the military?
    Breaking the rules doesn't specifically, but not discharging a highly decorated, arabic speaking proven soldier weaken the military by eliminating a good soldier.

    So...how does discharging this man stengthen the military?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    If something is that subtle, I can't see it being a punishable offense - especially if it's in a non-threatening or hostile manner.

    I really don't have the time to sit there and go case-by-case with infinite scenarios made up. I've given the basics. Let common sense determine the rest.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    So Jall...would you support discharging a gay man or woman for simply saying that they were gay?
    For simply stating they were gay? No. However, just like I would support punative measures for a straight guy talking on the job about all poony he gets, I would support punative measures against a gay guy who talked about the sausage fest he had with his BF the night before.

    Your sex life stays out of the work place. Period.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If something is that subtle, I can't see it being a punishable offense - especially if it's in a non-threatening or hostile manner.

    I really don't have the time to sit there and go case-by-case with infinite scenarios made up. I've given the basics. Let common sense determine the rest.
    I don't think you have...you are being extremely vague. Fine...don't answer case by case, answer this simply question: If a soldier makes a statement that he is gay, nothing more, nothing less. Should he/she be discharged? If a soldier makes a statement that he is straight? Should he/she be discharged?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    For simply stating they were gay? No. However, just like I would support punative measures for a straight guy talking on the job about all poony he gets, I would support punative measures against a gay guy who talked about the sausage fest he had with his BF the night before.

    Your sex life stays out of the work place. Period.
    That's what I thought your position was....I don't think Gipper is being as clear.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Army Discharges Lt. Dan Choi, 'Don't Ask' Critic Who Told

    I challenge anyone who is against repealing the DADT policy to watch the video in the attached link and make an argument why it strengthen the military to discharge this West Point graduate.

    As he says in the end of the video, there have been nothing but positive ramifications among his infantry in the 17 months since he came out..."Honesty is the foundation of building teamwork and troop cohension". How can anyone possibly disagree with that?
    Because he's spending more time being a gay rights activist than he is being an army officer. Obviously, his priorities are screwed up.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because he's spending more time being a gay rights activist than he is being an army officer. Obviously, his priorities are screwed up.
    Not at all. Care to back up that statement or is it just typical Apstd hotair?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not at all. Care to back up that statement or is it just typical Apstd hotair?
    I don't need to. All we've heard about Dan Choi, is that he's a gay rights activist. I've yet to hear anyone here, or anywhere else, brag about his exploits on the battlefield.

    Here is a photo of Dan Choi, at a political rally, in uniform.



    Army Regulation 670-1 prohibits wear of the uniform in any of the following circumstances:

    •In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interest, or when engaged in off duty civilian employment.
    •When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except as authorized by competent authority.
    •When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by, an extremist organization.
    •When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army.
    •When specifically prohibited by Army regulations.
    Dan Choi obviously violated Army Regulations. He is a discredit to his unit, his service and sets a piss poor example for his men.

    Any leader that doesn't live by the same standards that he expects from his men, is a piece of **** and doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't need to. All we've heard about Dan Choi, is that he's a gay rights activist. I've yet to hear anyone here, or anywhere else, brag about his exploits on the battlefield.

    Here is a photo of Dan Choi, at a political rally, in uniform.





    Army Regulation 670-1 prohibits wear of the uniform in any of the following circumstances:



    Dan Choi obviously violated Army Regulations. He is a discredit to his unit, his service and sets a piss poor example for his men.

    Any leader that doesn't live by the same standards that he expects from his men, is a piece of **** and doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
    Doesn't support your statement that he spent more time being an activist than a soldier now does it?

    Care to retract that statement or would you like to try again?
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