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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    There have actually been many documented cases where people have been discharged for as little as that.
    Then that would be wrong, since if it really was private it would be strictly a "he said, she said" affair. If it's as easy as telling your CO "sir, Private Pyle over there told me he likes to suck dick" without any legitimate proof, I think the dismissal rate would be a little higher. Men can be juvenile, especially since the military doesn't exactly attract the brightest minds. Why do you think the south has a disproportionate amount who serve?

    I wouldn't want DADT revoked, but tweaked to make it more equal, and something akin to what you could expect at an office. I don't tell everyone I work with which secretary I'd screw. That's for certain ears only. And if my boss heard me say that Linda has nice tits, I'd expect to be reprimanded as well.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I wouldn't want DADT revoked, but tweaked to make it more equal, and something akin to what you could expect at an office. I don't tell everyone I work with which secretary I'd screw. That's for certain ears only. And if my boss heard me say that Linda has nice tits, I'd expect to be reprimanded as well.
    Let me see if I understand your position. You would tweak DADT so that a gay soldier could announce that he is gay, as long as we doesn't sit around and talk about who's dick he wants to suck or which men he'd like to boink....is that correct?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It is equal. They don't ask heteros for orientation either.

    You just probably don't hear about heterosexuals being in trouble for acting like bravado-stricken alpha males because that's dog-bites-man. News has to shock you or it's not news.

    I support leaving sexuality out of military affairs, no matter which gender you like. That's pretty neutral to me. Once you get a furlough or shore leave, chase all the ass you want. On the clock, you do your job and you leave your pecker's desires at home.
    This is EXACTLY how I feel about the DADT issue with one slight exception: currently, under DADT, if they're on furlough then they can still get discharged for it despite keeping it private if it's found out. I think that's messed up.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    This is EXACTLY how I feel about the DADT issue with one slight exception: currently, under DADT, if they're on furlough then they can still get discharged for it despite keeping it private if it's found out. I think that's messed up.
    So Jall...would you support discharging a gay man or woman for simply saying that they were gay?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude
    Let me see if I understand your position. You would tweak DADT so that a gay soldier could announce that he is gay, as long as we doesn't sit around and talk about who's dick he wants to suck or which men he'd like to boink....is that correct?
    No.

    Your boss doesn't ask if you like dick. Your boss also doesn't ask if you like pussy. Ironically, in the private sector they don't ask these questions either.

    You get in trouble if you make your homosexual prowess public. You get in trouble if you make your heterosexual prowess public. Ironically, both these are punishable in the private sector too.

    Gay people do their job with no input on sexuality. Straight people do their job with no input on sexuality. Ironically, this is how the private sector works too.

    End "witch-hunts" or detective work that may incidentally show someone is gay. Discard any proof or evidence that someone is straight. Ironically, neither happens in the private sector.

    I'd say that's pretty even enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jallman
    This is EXACTLY how I feel about the DADT issue with one slight exception: currently, under DADT, if they're on furlough then they can still get discharged for it despite keeping it private if it's found out. I think that's messed up.
    It is messed up. And if you're caught ripping off your sailor bell-bottoms and going balls deep on a stripper in the champagne room of a titty bar, you gotta face the firing squad as well.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No.

    Your boss doesn't ask if you like dick. Your boss also doesn't ask if you like pussy. Ironically, in the private sector they don't ask these questions either.

    You get in trouble if you make your homosexual prowess public. You get in trouble if you make your heterosexual prowess public. Ironically, both these are punishable in the private sector too.

    Gay people do their job with no input on sexuality. Straight people do their job with no input on sexuality. Ironically, this is how the private sector works too.

    End "witch-hunts" or detective work that may incidentally show someone is gay. Discard any proof or evidence that someone is straight. Ironically, neither happens in the private sector.

    I'd say that's pretty even enough.



    It is messed up. And if you're caught ripping off your sailor bell-bottoms and going balls deep on a stripper in the champagne room of a titty bar, you gotta face the firing squad as well.
    I'm still confused on your position. Assume that a gay person does not get into explicit details but is honest with those around him that he is gay. For instance, a straight soldier asks "Do you have a girlfriend back home" and he says, "No, I'm gay". Would you support discharging the soldier under that scenario.

    What about this scenario: Straight soldiers sitting around in a group discussing which female celebrities are hot. Gay soldier announces he doesn't think any of them are hot, he's gay. Would you support discharge?

    And if you would support discharge under either scenario...would you support discharge for the heterosexual soldier(s) as well?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    I do think it should be treated like it is treated under the private sector. No one asks you, and if you do anything that could be considered harassment you should be punished. But if it comes out that someone is gay it shouldn't be grounds for a discharge. If someone in the private sector was fired because they were gay it would be shot down in any court. Just protect people from harassment, and allow people to express their sexuality in an appropriate manner. Examples would be taking their significant other to military functions where it is allowed, and living with their significant other on base.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    still avoiding the question I see. Why am I not surprized?
    So dude, how does breaking the rules strengthen the military?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So dude, how does breaking the rules strengthen the military?
    How does this rule strengthen the military is the more appropriate question.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    I was going to say the same things Disney, as gipper's positions interesting.

    If a soldier has a picture of Angelina Jolie in a bakini on his Bunk, should he be discharged?
    If a soldier has a picture of Brad Pitt shirtless on his bunk, should he be discharged?

    If a soldier, in reference to being asked "where are you going", says "To make a call to my girlfriend" should he be discharged?
    If a soldier, in reference to being asked "where are you going", says "To make a call to my boyfriend" should he be discharged?

    If after work a soldier visits an off base bar with a female friend that he's being very affectionate with, and other soldiers are there off duty, should he be discharged?
    If after work a soldier visits an off base bar with a male friend that he's being very affectionate with, and other soldiers are there off duty, should he be discharged?

    If a soldier has a picture of him and his girlfriend in an embrace on his desk, should he be discharged?
    If a soldier has a picture of her and her girlfriend in an embrace on her desk, should she be discharged?

    Save for the first example I've seen examples of this happen in just about every professional work place I've ever been in and I imagine are not that out of the ordinary. Do you think in each situation, hypothetically, the people should get different treatment with regards to discharges?

    And, if they currently would get different treatment in reality, how could you possibly say the law is "equal"?

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