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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What the hell are you even talking about, dude?
    It was not illegal for members of the US military to shoot American Indians, Chinese, blacks, and other minorities at the time, but in fact encouraged with a bounty system. Does it seem like a moral order to follow?

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do I think that it's wrong to disallow gays to serve in the military, based on their sexual orientation? Yes.

    Do I think the DADT policy is wrong? No.
    Please, this is bull. You can't have your cake, and eat it too. Either you think it's okay to discriminate, or you don't.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    It's all political bs. It all runs down hill in the military.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If every other western nation has done it, yours can do it too. I find the unit cohesion remarks to be a flimsy excuse. The U.S. military is strong and has stood the test of time in many different conflicts, and has made many civil progressions from allowing blacks in, to women. I think it can handle integrating openly gay people. I'm not denying there are logistical concerns that need to be ironed out but all of the chickle-little comments about how it will ruin the military are so over the top it's laughable. Your government is smart, it's going to find a way. The bigots will just have to get used to
    That's because you've never served in the military and you are from a country that has a piss poor military. I know people who have served in the RCA and curse it's policy regarding gays in the service. Care to tell us how your military experience differs from their's?



    Yeah I know what unit cohesion is -- a flimsy excuse. The people who tend to make those excuses are the ones who just don't want a bunch of fags running around their base camp. I know you apdst and I know your view on things, so don't bother trying to hide it. You pride yourself on your staunch conservative values. This has little to do with unit cohesion and more to do with your brand of social morality.

    The military is going to find a way. It has no choice. America is going to be brought into the modern world.
    Only a person who has never spent time in the service would say that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's from your extensive military experience? What unit did you serve in? What was your APFT score? What was your RQ score? 'Splain to use how your service allows you speak with any kind of authority on the subject.
    Sorry....but service in the military does not make one an expert on unit cohesion. All you have to do is look at country's in which gays are allowed to serve openly and you see there is no problem with unit cohesion.

    The whole "unit cohesion" and "shower phobia" arguments are just tired stretchs from old homophobe fuddy-duddies who want the military to remain as prejudice and close-minded as they are. Today's military is much more diverse and tolerant than the military of the olden days.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It was not illegal for members of the US military to shoot American Indians, Chinese, blacks, and other minorities at the time, but in fact encouraged with a bounty system. Does it seem like a moral order to follow?
    OMG!!!! It's illegal for the United States military to fire upon American citizens.

    The law that prevents it:

    Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

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    Please, this is bull. You can't have your cake, and eat it too. Either you think it's okay to discriminate, or you don't.
    It's not okay to discriminate. no cake involved.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....but service in the military does not make one an expert on unit cohesion. All you have to do is look at country's in which gays are allowed to serve openly and you see there is no problem with unit cohesion.

    The whole "unit cohesion" and "shower phobia" arguments are just tired stretchs from old homophobe fuddy-duddies who want the military to remain as prejudice and close-minded as they are. Today's military is much more diverse and tolerant than the military of the olden days.
    Oh, ok, so I've spent time in a combat arms unit, and everyone who is arguing against me hasn't. Am I right? So, I don't know **** and all you folks know better than me? Explain to us how that make sense, agan!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    OMG!!!! It's illegal for the United States military to fire upon American citizens.

    The law that prevents it:

    Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It is now, but before the Posse Comitatus Act the US military had a bounty system in place for the genocide of the American Indian. There were also policies in place that allowed servicemen to kill minorities with no legal repercussions.

    As far as Posse Commitatus is concerned, tell that to me again with a straight face due to the US Army's involvement in the bloodbath at Waco.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It is now, but before the Posse Comitatus Act the US military had a bounty system in place for the genocide of the American Indian. There were also policies in place that allowed servicemen to kill minorities with no legal repercussions.

    As far as Posse Commitatus is concerned, tell that to me again with a straight face due to the US Army's involvement in the bloodbath at Waco.
    Please, remove the Third National from your avatar, you disgrace it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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