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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Another member of the military has stated otherwise, and I doubt you aren't allowed to kiss in a movie theater?
    Also I doubt the hetero couple would hardly be disciplined even if the Army were to crack down on this, while the LGBT soldier would be discharged.

    In no way are LGBT soldiers equal in todays Army, and that is all kinds of ****ed up, and the fact that you fail to see that is disturbing.
    At this time, it is illegal for gays to serve in the military.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, do you serve in a combat unit? Or some pogue piece-ass-unit that doesn't even qualify with a weapon anually?

    You're a nuke in F L A, right? Not a whole buncha trigger time for ya?
    What is your point? Actually, I'm in the Navy reserve, now. I was a nuke for almost 10 years, including time on a ship and in a shipyard.

    However, my husband was a Marine, in a combat unit. He was a tow gunner. I went to the Marine Corps Ball with him, both as his gf and as his wife. I do know what I am talking about, at least to an extent. I know that he has no problem with homosexuals serving openly. He doesn't feel comfortable with men hitting on him, but since it has happened before now, he doesn't figure it will get worse just because homosexuals can now tell people they are homosexual.

    And this bs about combat units and unit cohesion being affected is just that, crap. If you believe it, then prove it.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    At this time, it is illegal for gays to serve in the military.
    And do you think that policy is wrong?

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    One does not need military experience in order to clearly see that a prejudicial and discriminatory policy was wrongfully created and maintained for so long. The area where my military expertise is lacking is in how to smoothly implement the abolishing of DADT, and for that I think military experience should be relied on. But the policy itself is everyone's concern.

    Now, are you going to debate the actual policy or just keep up the petty posturing? Because even people in the military disagree over DADT, so clearly military experience doesn't form objective opinions.
    You may not need military experience to see the prejudicial and discriminatory policy, but you do need military experience to see how this policy is beneficial to unit cohesion and the maintanance of discipline within the ranks.

    Do you understand what unit cohesion and discipline in the ranks is? Care to explain--from your experience in the military--what that is?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    At this time, it is illegal for gays to serve in the military.
    It wasn't illegal for the US military to shoot minorities, but does that mean that the soldiers have to right to follow it?

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You may not need military experience to see the prejudicial and discriminatory policy, but you do need military experience to see how this policy is beneficial to unit cohesion and the maintanance of discipline within the ranks.

    Do you understand what unit cohesion and discipline in the ranks is? Care to explain--from your experience in the military--what that is?
    BS. The policy does nothing to increase unit cohesion. The only thing it does is force good soldiers to lie about who they are.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And do you think that policy is wrong?
    Do I think that it's wrong to disallow gays to serve in the military, based on their sexual orientation? Yes.

    Do I think the DADT policy is wrong? No.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It wasn't illegal for the US military to shoot minorities, but does that mean that the soldiers have to right to follow it?
    What the hell are you even talking about, dude?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You may not need military experience to see the prejudicial and discriminatory policy, but you do need military experience to see how this policy is beneficial to unit cohesion and the maintanance of discipline within the ranks.
    If every other western nation has done it, yours can do it too. I find the unit cohesion remarks to be a flimsy excuse. The U.S. military is strong and has stood the test of time in many different conflicts, and has made many civil progressions from allowing blacks in, to women. I think it can handle integrating openly gay people. I'm not denying there are logistical concerns that need to be ironed out but all of the chickle-little comments about how it will ruin the military are so over the top it's laughable. Your government is smart, it's going to find a way. The bigots will just have to get used to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you understand what unit cohesion and discipline in the ranks is? Care to explain--from your experience in the military--what that is?
    Yeah I know what unit cohesion is -- a flimsy excuse. The people who tend to make those excuses are the ones who just don't want a bunch of fags running around their base camp. I know you apdst and I know your view on things, so don't bother trying to hide it. You pride yourself on your staunch conservative values. This has little to do with unit cohesion and more to do with your brand of social morality.

    The military is going to find a way. It has no choice. America is going to be brought into the modern world.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    BS. The policy does nothing to increase unit cohesion. The only thing it does is force good soldiers to lie about who they are.
    That's from your extensive military experience? What unit did you serve in? What was your APFT score? What was your RQ score? 'Splain to use how your service allows you speak with any kind of authority on the subject.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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