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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Well I'm just asking pointed questions because I don't care for the policy put into place.
    You--a far right conservative--asking these questions kills the, "you beez-a-hypocrite", argument from the Libbos and the, "I'm conservative, but too cool to look like a conservative", folks.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you understand that if a hetero couple was found to be engaging in sex, with other couples and that sex included fellatio and anal sex, that they would be just as liable to be preosecuted under Article 125 of the UCMJ?

    Are you willing to allow the UCMJ to be less applicable to homos as heteros? While we're on the topic of hypocrisy and all.
    Do you not understand that the homosexual couple is being treated differently than a heterosexual couple? If a picture of a heterosexual Army officer kissing her husband was taken she wouldn't be discharged. But the picture of a lesbian Army officer kissing her girlfriend would cause her to be discharged. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? The double standard?

    The whole sodomy rule is bull**** as well. Because to actually prove that a heterosexual couple was committing sodomy, then they either have to be A.) having sex in a public place, or B.) have someone invade their private space and take pictures, or video of them having sex. But all it takes for the homosexual couple to be ruled to having sodomy is having them kiss. Not quite fair is it?

    You've never directly answered this question. So I'll ask it here
    Do you think that LGBT members of the military should be allowed to serve openly, just like their heterosexual counterparts?

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, not really, but anyway.
    Yes really. Fraternization is any inappropriate relationship between an officer and enlisted, a senior enlisted and junior enlisted, an instructor and student, or anyone else where the relationship could lead to an appearance of favoritism of that person. This includes both personal and business relationships. There are exceptions for preexisting relationships, but even those have to be treated carefully.

    I am an E-6. I cannot get into a private business with my chiefs or officers. This would be deemed as fraternization. An enlisted person and officer or senior enlisted also cannot share an apartment. They can remain friends, as long as the relationship existed prior to the promotion(s) that separated their ranks to such a level. Technically, an officer is not supposed to privately purchase anything from an enlisted person, when he/she is in a position to even possibly have an influence on that person's career. In the Navy, it is even considered fraternization for fleet returnees in an A-school to associate outside of official instructions with students who are straight from basic training. I know this because this is why my husband cannot associate with almost his entire class. He is prior enlisted, and therefore, cannot hang out at all with those who just recently joined the military. They are not even supposed to share a cab or ride together in a POV.

    Here is some more info:
    Fraternization in the United States Military
    Services Fraternization Policies
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Do you not understand that the homosexual couple is being treated differently than a heterosexual couple? If a picture of a heterosexual Army officer kissing her husband was taken she wouldn't be discharged. But the picture of a lesbian Army officer kissing her girlfriend would cause her to be discharged. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? The double standard?

    The whole sodomy rule is bull**** as well. Because to actually prove that a heterosexual couple was committing sodomy, then they either have to be A.) having sex in a public place, or B.) have someone invade their private space and take pictures, or video of them having sex. But all it takes for the homosexual couple to be ruled to having sodomy is having them kiss. Not quite fair is it?

    You've never directly answered this question. So I'll ask it here
    Do you think that LGBT members of the military should be allowed to serve openly, just like their heterosexual counterparts?
    Do you understand that the homosexual couple isn't being treated any different than a heterosexual couple?

    Do you think that LGBT members of the military should be allowed to serve openly, just like their heterosexual counterparts?
    No more openly than a hetero couple. Let's stick with one argument.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes really. Fraternization is any inappropriate relationship between an officer and enlisted, a senior enlisted and junior enlisted, an instructor and student, or anyone else where the relationship could lead to an appearance of favoritism of that person. This includes both personal and business relationships. There are exceptions for preexisting relationships, but even those have to be treated carefully.

    I am an E-6. I cannot get into a private business with my chiefs or officers. This would be deemed as fraternization. An enlisted person and officer or senior enlisted also cannot share an apartment. They can remain friends, as long as the relationship existed prior to the promotion(s) that separated their ranks to such a level. Technically, an officer is not supposed to privately purchase anything from an enlisted person, when he/she is in a position to even possibly have an influence on that person's career. In the Navy, it is even considered fraternization for fleet returnees in an A-school to associate outside of official instructions with students who are straight from basic training. I know this because this is why my husband cannot associate with almost his entire class. He is prior enlisted, and therefore, cannot hang out at all with those who just recently joined the military. They are not even supposed to share a cab or ride together in a POV.

    Here is some more info:
    Fraternization in the United States Military
    Services Fraternization Policies
    Are we talking about sexual relationships, or any sorta relationship that is outside the chain of command?

    Seems to me that ya'll aren't listening to each other.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you understand that the homosexual couple isn't being treated any different than a heterosexual couple?



    No more openly than a hetero couple. Let's stick with one argument.
    A heterosexual can bring their significant other to command functions, whether they are married to the person or not. They can even dance and display some moderate PDA. Homosexual service members cannot. That is discrimination.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A heterosexual can bring their significant other to command functions, whether they are married to the person or not. They can even dance and display some moderate PDA. Homosexual service members cannot. That is discrimination.
    So, do you serve in a combat unit? Or some pogue piece-ass-unit that doesn't even qualify with a weapon anually?

    You're a nuke in F L A, right? Not a whole buncha trigger time for ya?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    What unit of the RCA did you serve in? Please, be honest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What unit of the RCA did you serve in? Please, be honest.
    In case you haven't gotten the hint already, your pre-requisite of military experience in order to take part in this debate is irrelevant.

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