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    This argument reminds me of a line from GI Jane. “My grandfather wanted to be a navy man, fire the big guns on the big ships. But the only thing he could ever do was cook. We’re not talking about 100 years ago, we’re talking the US Navy at the end of WW2. You want to know the reason they said my grandfather couldn’t fight for his country. Negroes can’t see at night. They aint got good night vision. So see O’neil I know where your coming from. You’re the new person on the block, you just may have moved in a little to early.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly right.

    Adultery is a violation of the UCMJ as well.
    But adultery can actually cause problems within the unit. Especially if two of the people are in the same unit. Even if they aren't in the same unit or a cheated on spouse isn't in the military at all, it could cause discipline and problems concerning public military appearance. Adultery can very easily lead to conflicts between a spouse who is cheated on and either the other spouse and/or the person the spouse cheated with. This can be very bad.

    Sodomy, otoh, doesn't really come with such problems, unless it actually is being done in conjuction with violating another UCMJ law. Sodomy, when done in private between two consenting adults, is between those two adults. If the couple is not breaking fraternization, rape, or adultery rules, then why does it matter what sexual acts they perform?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But adultery can actually cause problems within the unit. Especially if two of the people are in the same unit. Even if they aren't in the same unit or a cheated on spouse isn't in the military at all, it could cause discipline and problems concerning public military appearance. Adultery can very easily lead to conflicts between a spouse who is cheated on and either the other spouse and/or the person the spouse cheated with. This can be very bad.

    Sodomy, otoh, doesn't really come with such problems, unless it actually is being done in conjuction with violating another UCMJ law. Sodomy, when done in private between two consenting adults, is between those two adults. If the couple is not breaking fraternization, rape, or adultery rules, then why does it matter what sexual acts they perform?
    In an infantry unit, that is an all male unit, the company commander and a platoon leader are ****ing, ya think it might cause problems? Probably, huh?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In an infantry unit, that is an all male unit, the company commander and a platoon leader are ****ing, ya think it might cause problems? Probably, huh?
    Wouldn't the fraternization rule take care of that? That situation doesn't prove that DADT should be keep as policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In an infantry unit, that is an all male unit, the company commander and a platoon leader are ****ing, ya think it might cause problems? Probably, huh?
    I'd say that it may have already happened in the history of the US Armed Forces. I don't have any proof, since it's unproveable, but it doesn't mean it couldn't have already happened.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In an infantry unit, that is an all male unit, the company commander and a platoon leader are ****ing, ya think it might cause problems? Probably, huh?
    First of all, if they are having an affair with each other, then it isn't an adultery issue, it is a fraternization issue. Well, I guess it could be an adultery issue also, if one or both was married, but it wasn't actually what I was referring to. But it proves that there are already rules in place to cover such issues.

    But since I was specifically talking about adultery, I was referring to the fact that it takes at least three parties (possibly 4) for a case of adultery, since for adultery to take place a person must be married and having sex with someone else who isn't their spouse. Therefore, in most instances concerning adultery, where two people are involved in the case from the same unit, especially a combat unit, the likely scenario is actually one of the guys from the unit is sleeping with another guy's wife. Therefore, you would have two people from the same unit involved with the situation. One would be subject to the UCMJ, while the other could actually be viewed as more of a victim. It could cause major problems if the married guy found out that his fellow Marine/Soldier was sleeping with his wife, and took matters into his own hands rather than waiting for the chain of command to handle the guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Wouldn't the fraternization rule take care of that? That situation doesn't prove that DADT should be keep as policy.
    To date, there aren't any fraternization cases in combat arms units. Why interfere with their day-to-day activites with more bull****? The extra interferance would affect unit cohesion. Trust me, when I say that combat units already have enough **** to worry about, without that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    To date, there aren't any fraternization cases in combat arms units. Why interfere with their day-to-day activites with more bull****? The extra interferance would affect unit cohesion. Trust me, when I say that combat units already have enough **** to worry about, without that.
    Fraternization is also not just about sexual or intimate relationships. Fraternization can involve simply a close friendship or inappropriate business arrangement. So, there probably are at least a few fraternization issues in combat units now.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    To date, there aren't any fraternization cases in combat arms units. Why interfere with their day-to-day activites with more bull****? The extra interferance would affect unit cohesion. Trust me, when I say that combat units already have enough **** to worry about, without that.
    What interference? As long as they don't break the fraternization rules there should be no problem. Also you can't be so naive to think that this situation hasn't already happened before?

    Also you still haven't answered my question regarding my scenario a few pages back, I'm waiting for your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Fraternization is also not just about sexual or intimate relationships. Fraternization can involve simply a close friendship or inappropriate business arrangement. So, there probably are at least a few fraternization issues in combat units now.
    Well, not really, but anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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