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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    So is fellatio, cunnilingus, and anal sex between a man and a woman.
    That's exactly right.

    Adultery is a violation of the UCMJ as well.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

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    He broke the rules. What is so hard to understand about that?
    How did he break the rules?

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly right.

    Adultery is a violation of the UCMJ as well.
    Do you honestly think that not a single heterosexual active duty service member has ever participated in those sexual activities? I ask because heterosexuals are not held to the same sexual standard of conduct as homosexuals. How many heterosexual active duty service members do you know of that have been tried and convicted of participating in sodomy?

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Admitting to sodomy is a violation of the UCMJ. Do you want them to be treated just like any other soldier who violates the UCMJ?
    Which is why it is good to include changing the UCMJ sodomy laws, along with the repeal of DADT. Both are being looked at, not just repealing DADT. Most likely, the military will do both after their study is concluded, not just one.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How did he break the rules?
    He told.

    Do you understand the idea of, "Don't ask...Don't tell"?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is why it is good to include changing the UCMJ sodomy laws, along with the repeal of DADT. Both are being looked at, not just repealing DADT. Most likely, the military will do both after their study is concluded, not just one.
    I've stated, repeatedly, that that is what it's going to take, but I've been told, repeatedly, that I'm ****ed in the head.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Do you honestly think that not a single heterosexual active duty service member has ever participated in those sexual activities? I ask because heterosexuals are not held to the same sexual standard of conduct as homosexuals. How many heterosexual active duty service members do you know of that have been tried and convicted of participating in sodomy?
    I'm not disagreeing with you. Don't misunderstand.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, in the civilia workplace, the standard of enforcement would be different.
    OK. But I'm not talking about a civilian workplace. Every thing I've stated relates to the military... which is what we are discussing.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with you. Don't misunderstand.
    So you have no problems with homosexuals serving in the military? I ask because you pointed directly to the UCMJ's statute against sodomy.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hence the reason that I've stated in the past that the abolition of DADT will cause sexual harassment cases in the military to sky-rocket. Thank you for proving my point.
    WOW!!

    Well, since this happened about 6 years ago, and DADT was in place, as it is now, how do you figure this is related? The sexuality of the accused wasn't the actual reason why sexual harassment was claimed. The claim came from a difference in what is comfortable levels of friendship/space for some, and what is considered uncomfortable for others. The girls who brought the accusations up didn't really think that we were all gay, they just weren't comfortable with our closeness. The amount of closeness between men or women while in their own berthings won't change just because DADT and sodomy rules are gone. Some women will still be close with each other, whether they are gay or straight. And some guys will still "harass" other guys, especially if they are straight. Sexual harassment cases will only increase if some people become paranoid that someone else isn't joking or isn't as platonic in their affections as they should think. If there are people actually having sex or just behaving completely inappropriately in berthings, then those incidents and the people involved should be at least counseled, if not punished, depending on the severity and legitimacy of the claim.
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