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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anything between opposite sex's. There's nothing that says anything between males and males, or females and females.

    Unless, you can post actual documentation, of course. can you?
    You are completely wrong. My entire berthing (female of course) was accused of sexual harassment by some girls in the berthing below us. I have posted this several times in the past. We were talked to by the Equal Opportunities Officer because the other girls were simply uncomfortable with our closeness, and considered it sexual harassment.

    Any person can bring a charge of sexual harassment against any other person in the military or even just who works with/for the military, regardless of gender or sexuality. If a person finds a question of a sexual nature to be offensive, then they can make a legitimate claim of sexual harassment, again regardless of gender or sexuality of either person involved. If you have access to a military knowledge online site, I suggest you look up training for sexual harassment there. This has been true since I joined in '98, if not before. There is also annual required training on sexual harassment.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    First off saying that one is a homosexual doesn't mean that one is participating in sodomy.
    Homosexuality is sodomy, according to the UCMJ's definition.

    Secondly, why the hell is "sodomy" between two consenting adults in the UCMJ. It has no reason to be there, the army has no business in the sexual matters of its soldiers.
    That's just the way it is. Again, welcome to the real world.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I love people how try to argue that since they did this or that, no one else is entitled to comment on something. Please.....things aren't handled that differently in the army....its not another planet.
    And, that's where you're wrong. Untold numbers of veterans have said that on this very forum, yet you and those like you refuse to listen.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Homosexuality is sodomy, according to the UCMJ's definition.



    That's just the way it is. Again, welcome to the real world.
    Please tell us, why you see no reason to change this? That may be the way it is, but it doesn't stop me from wanting this ignorant, and homophobic policy changed.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Homosexuality is sodomy, according to the UCMJ's definition.

    That's just the way it is. Again, welcome to the real world.
    So is fellatio, cunnilingus, and anal sex between a man and a woman.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Do you see how that matches to your scenario? I would think the exact same thing would happen.



    If the company commander and platoon leader were straight? Probably not. If they were gay? It would be sexual discrimination, same as the example that I gave.
    As I've explained to you before, you speak from an uninformed/inexperienced position. You're making a comparison between the military and civilian life and they are most definitely two different things.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As I've explained to you before, you speak from an uninformed/inexperienced position. You're making a comparison between the military and civilian life and they are most definitely two different things.
    What are you talking about? Every scenario I have mentioned is military in context.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are completely wrong. My entire berthing (female of course) was accused of sexual harassment by some girls in the berthing below us. I have posted this several times in the past. We were talked to by the Equal Opportunities Officer because the other girls were simply uncomfortable with our closeness, and considered it sexual harassment.

    Any person can bring a charge of sexual harassment against any other person in the military or even just who works with/for the military, regardless of gender or sexuality. If a person finds a question of a sexual nature to be offensive, then they can make a legitimate claim of sexual harassment, again regardless of gender or sexuality of either person involved. If you have access to a military knowledge online site, I suggest you look up training for sexual harassment there. This has been true since I joined in '98, if not before. There is also annual required training on sexual harassment.
    Hence the reason that I've stated in the past that the abolition of DADT will cause sexual harassment cases in the military to sky-rocket. Thank you for proving my point.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Please tell us, why you see no reason to change this? That may be the way it is, but it doesn't stop me from wanting this ignorant, and homophobic policy changed.
    Whom said I see no reason to change it? I've only said that that is how things are, according to the UCMJ.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What are you talking about? Every scenario I have mentioned is military in context.
    But, in the civilia workplace, the standard of enforcement would be different.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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