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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

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    It would open the door for a leader/commander/supervisor to ask as to a soldier's sexual orientation.

    How do you propose we deal with a case where a gay commander discriminates against a straight soldier? Or, are you going to explain to us that--like black people--gay are incapable of discrimination?
    Well now, this is one of the most incredibly wrong statements on the subject I have ever seen.

    If a commander/supervisor asked a soldier his/her orientation, the soldier could(politely) tell him to go **** himself, it ain't none of his damn business. Under DADT it's not allowed, and if DADT was repealed, it would be entirely none of a supervisor's business.

    We would deal with commanders discriminating(gay or strait), the same way we do now...duh....
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

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    Well now, this is one of the most incredibly wrong statements on the subject I have ever seen.

    If a commander/supervisor asked a soldier his/her orientation, the soldier could(politely) tell him to go **** himself, it ain't none of his damn business. Under DADT it's not allowed, and if DADT was repealed, it would be entirely none of a supervisor's business.

    We would deal with commanders discriminating(gay or strait), the same way we do now...duh....
    As a former member of the armed services, you should know that without DADT a service member doesn't have any right to tell his commander/leader/supervisor to, "go **** himself".

    Hence, the need for, "don't ask, don't tell".

    We would deal with commanders discriminating(gay or strait), the same way we do now...duh....
    Uh, yeah! The same way we do with blacks discriminating with whites. Eh?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As a former member of the armed services, you should know that without DADT a service member doesn't have any right to tell his commander/leader/supervisor to, "go **** himself".

    Hence, the need for, "don't ask, don't tell".
    A person's sexual orientation should not be asked about and if it is, it is perfectly acceptable to tell the person who asked, even if a supervisor, "I really don't think that is an appropriat question sir" or "I'd rather not discuss that sir". I have told a LCDR that it was none of his business if I was having sex before I was married when he asked me. It was an inappropriate question, as asking anything about sexual activities is for someone in charge, unless they believe that the service member is actually breaking a law or something. Then it should be more of a question on that subject.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As a former member of the armed services, you should know that without DADT a service member doesn't have any right to tell his commander/leader/supervisor to, "go **** himself".

    Hence, the need for, "don't ask, don't tell".
    No. It states the need for a don't ask policy, not DADT. The army has no need to know ones sexual orientation, but people shouldn't have to hide there sexual orientation. They should be treated just the same as straight soldiers, and don't you dare tell me they are right now. Not one straight soldier has ever been discharged because of their sexuality.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Twisted right-wing logic? How does not saying anything equate to telling a lie. Get back with me on that one, thanks!
    Do you honestly believe that a gay person can say nothing and not be exposed. What planet are you living on?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It would open the door for a leader/commander/supervisor to ask as to a soldier's sexual orientation.

    How do you propose we deal with a case where a gay commander discriminates against a straight soldier? Or, are you going to explain to us that--like black people--gay are incapable of discrimination?
    Like that is really going to happen....Dude ....you are REALLY grasping for straws here.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No. It states the need for a don't ask policy, not DADT. The army has no need to know ones sexual orientation, but people shouldn't have to hide there sexual orientation. They should be treated just the same as straight soldiers, and don't you dare tell me they are right now. Not one straight soldier has ever been discharged because of their sexuality.
    No, it states that the military can't ask and the soldier shouldn't tell.

    Be that as it may, I think--as should any given Libbo--a unit leader/commander shouldn't be able to inquire as to a soldier's sexual orientation. If DADT is repealed, a unit commander/leader will uninhibited from asking that very question.

    Doesn't it make sense that that question be off limits? Regardless of sexual orientation?

    Or, are we going to say that it's okay, just as long as it's being asked of a straight soldier?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Like that is really going to happen....Dude ....you are REALLY grasping for straws here.
    So, you are claiming that there's no way a gay soldier/leader/supervisor/commander can discriminate against a straight service member?

    Please! Don't tell me you're a part of the, "they aren't able to discriminate", crowd.

    This is a classic case of Libbos doing more harm than good.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If DADT is repealed, a unit commander/leader will uninhibited from asking that very question.
    No they will not because that falls under Sexual Harrasment which IS ALREADY COVERED. Do you not get that? That would be like a supervisor asking a subordinent if they like the missionary position or doggy style. They would be brought up on sexual harrasment just as they would if they would ask about their SEXUAL orientation.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, it states that the military can't ask and the soldier shouldn't tell.

    Be that as it may, I think--as should any given Libbo--a unit leader/commander shouldn't be able to inquire as to a soldier's sexual orientation. If DADT is repealed, a unit commander/leader will uninhibited from asking that very question.

    Doesn't it make sense that that question be off limits? Regardless of sexual orientation?

    Or, are we going to say that it's okay, just as long as it's being asked of a straight soldier?
    It should be off limits, for all orientations. The Army has no business in the sexual lives of its soldiers. But do you not see the hypocrisy in DADT? Let me give you this scenario, lets say Natalie is a soldier on leave, and she goes out to a restaurant with her girlfriend, the two are getting close, like couples do. Now another member of her unit is also at the restaurant, and spots the two, takes a photo of the two, and gives the photo to their commanding officer. Later Natalie gets discharged under the DADT policy. Do you think that this is okay? Do you not see the hypocrisy of this situation, and the fact that this would never happen to a heterosexual soldier?

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