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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I do not. I don't think it should be ok for any soldier to have to reveal his/her sexual orientation, regardless of what his/her sexual orientation may be. It will most certainly lead to discrimination.





    Of course I would be upset if a soldier assaulted another soldier, unless it was self defense.
    Again...twisted logic. Repealing DADT dos not require anyone to REVEAL his/her sexual orientation. It just prevents discrimination against those who choose to be open and honest. But teaching a right-winger about openess and honesty is difficult.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

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    That's typical right-wing logic for you. Telling a lie means you have integrity. Telling the truth means you lack integrity. Yup.....sounds like the right-wing.
    Twisted right-wing logic? How does not saying anything equate to telling a lie. Get back with me on that one, thanks!
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

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    Again...twisted logic. Repealing DADT dos not require anyone to REVEAL his/her sexual orientation. It just prevents discrimination against those who choose to be open and honest. But teaching a right-winger about openess and honesty is difficult.
    It would open the door for a leader/commander/supervisor to ask as to a soldier's sexual orientation.

    How do you propose we deal with a case where a gay commander discriminates against a straight soldier? Or, are you going to explain to us that--like black people--gay are incapable of discrimination?
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It would open the door for a leader/commander/supervisor to ask as to a soldier's sexual orientation.
    Then just drop the don't tell policy. The army has no business asking, but a solider shouldn't be discharged for being gay. That's flat out discrimination.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    I really need to stop watching I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry before opening this thread.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How do you propose we deal with a case where a gay commander discriminates against a straight soldier?
    Are you serious? Are you seriously asking how the military would deal with a supervisor that discriminates against another soldier? Hello? The military already has a means to deal with that. It's called EO. There is already an avenue to deal with it.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Most DADT violations that I've aware of *happen* because "someone saw so-n-so at teh movie theater in the next town over kissing her date - then took pictures and presented a case against the kissing soldier" - not very often does someone actually *tell* on themselves.



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    The only acceptable PDA is two hot lesbians. Lipstick ones. I don't want to see some chick who can bench me cramming her tongue down anyone's throat.

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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It would open the door for a leader/commander/supervisor to ask as to a soldier's sexual orientation.

    How do you propose we deal with a case where a gay commander discriminates against a straight soldier? Or, are you going to explain to us that--like black people--gay are incapable of discrimination?
    Everyone is capable of discrimination. Actual cases of discrimination can be dealt with the same way they are now, through equal opportunity channels and punishment.

    Your logic doesn't make much sense, when there are certainly plenty of heterosexuals that wouldn't have to be very openly vocal about their sexuality, when just being married in the military tells a commander that the person is most likely straight. It isn't exactly a secret who is married, whether the person wears a wedding band or not. It is in their file. And they most certainly could have a gay commander now who discriminates, although it is hard to discriminate against a person if everyone else or almost everyone else has the same characteristic as the one being discriminated against. It would be like arguing that a black commander is discriminating against whites, but he only has whites in his unit. Or, from a personal standpoint, it would be like if I were accused of discrimating against men, eventhough I am the only woman in my division in the Reserves. Unless the supervisor is actually stating that he/she is discriminating due to that certain characteristic, in which, he/she is then definitely subject to a discrimination charge.
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    Re: Army discharges don't ask critic who told

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did the Army mandate that he, ...don't tell? He took and oath to follow the rules, as an officer and a gentleman. He violated that oath. His integrity is shot.
    Uh, no. He had a lapse in judgment. That does not negate his integrity. That's just more of you trying to inflate a bad situation into an even worse one.

    It's that pure emotionalism I mentioned earlier that undermines your credibility.

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