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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure he's been any worse than any other president. And no, historically you can chart taxes and the economy and see no corralation between taxes and the economy. We've seen good times with high taxes and bad times with low taxes and vise versa. Business is more dependent on other factors than taxes. Many years ago I looked up such a chart and posted it on another forum. Not inclined to take the time today, but I'm sure you're capable if you want to see it. Too often people accept something as true because it sounds true.

    And if government was really doing it's job, it would both cut programs and raise taxes. Anyone who bought into the Bush tax cut and spend policy was really fooling themselves.



    So the bar is "no worse than any other president"?


    seriously?


    Let me ask you, how are we specifically better now with obama than we were with bush?
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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you won't articulate what jobs he has created, saved, etc. and instead reduce yourself to name calling and personal attacks. Noted.
    So no, you aren't going to act like an adult and all you want to do is engage in partisan hackery. All I needed to hear. I describe the entire situtation from the get go and all you want to do is bash Obama.
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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So no, you aren't going to act like an adult and all you want to do is engage in partisan hackery. All I needed to hear. I describe the entire situtation from the get go and all you want to do is bash Obama.

    I asked you a question. the tantrum is not necessary. Please, answer the question. I have not "bashed" obama here at all. I simply asked for clarification of your statement.
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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So the bar is "no worse than any other president"?


    seriously?


    Let me ask you, how are we specifically better now with obama than we were with bush?
    he realizes we do need to have a tax base to pay bills, hence doing away with the Bush tax cuts. That's at elast one side of the equation. Had Bush been a tax cut and spending cut president, I would have said the same about him, doing at least one side of the equation. Bush was stupid and cut taxes while increasing speanding. That is far worse than what Obama is doing.

    The government, let alone the president, doesn't control the economy. They simply can't control all the factors involved. Our expectation that they can is what cereates a lot of the problems we face. We want our leaders doing something, and Obama, like all presidents, would be run out of office if he didn't spend money to try and help. it doesn't, but we expect it as a nation. That's why all presidents and both parties do what Obama did.

    So, the real complaint should be with us.

    I think that answers both your questions.

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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So no, you aren't going to act like an adult and all you want to do is engage in partisan hackery. All I needed to hear. I describe the entire situtation from the get go and all you want to do is bash Obama.
    need a tissue?



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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    he realizes we do need to have a tax base to pay bills, hence doing away with the Bush tax cuts. That's at elast one side of the equation. Had Bush been a tax cut and spending cut president, I would have said the same about him, doing at least one side of the equation. Bush was stupid and cut taxes while increasing speanding. That is far worse than what Obama is doing.

    The government, let alone the president, doesn't control the economy. They simply can't control all the factors involved. Our expectation that they can is what cereates a lot of the problems we face. We want our leaders doing something, and Obama, like all presidents, would be run out of office if he didn't spend money to try and help. it doesn't, but we expect it as a nation. That's why all presidents and both parties do what Obama did.

    So, the real complaint should be with us.

    I think that answers both your questions.


    wait, seriously, the problem is us? not Obama's policies? Seriously?
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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I asked you a question.
    And ignored (or did not read) the rest. Which was the important part. Really. Who are you trying to fool here?

    I guess the part about being boned regardless of any post 9/11 spending doesn't mean anything to you eh?
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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And ignored (or did not read) the rest. Which was the important part. Really. Who are you trying to fool here?

    I guess the part about being boned regardless of any post 9/11 spending doesn't mean anything to you eh?


    Still looking for an answer to my question.
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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    wait, seriously, the problem is us? not Obama's policies? Seriously?
    Yes. We would be far harder on Obama if he had let the auto industry fall for example. History shows this. We want the president to do something. And blame him for things not in his control. We have done that to all presidents in my life time. We can't expect them to not have noticed.

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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes. We would be far harder on Obama if he had let the auto industry fall for example. History shows this. We want the president to do something. And blame him for things not in his control. We have done that to all presidents in my life time. We can't expect them to not have noticed.


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