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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    SO anything that congress says promotes the general welfare is constitutional? I deny that taking from one group for the benefit of another group promotes the general welfare of the country as a whole

    and do find some authority for the proposition that merely calling the dole or income redistribution "welfare" is consistent with the 18the century term you seem to think justifies the dole
    Has the supreme court agreed with your opinion?
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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that still doesn't prove your claim that its a waste of money. we don't know how things will turn out

    I am sure lots of people thought the marshall plan was a waste of money. I am sure some thought the occupation of Japan was as well.


    No, it proves my claim that it is measurable, objectively. Now, add. Add cost. Add benefit. Objectively. Cost of war in terms of dollors, lives, help for recruiting Al Qaeda, versus, what, a pipe dream? Fairy dust? Again, we can measure today.

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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Has the supreme court agreed with your opinion?
    if the supreme court's current opinion is all that matters than we can tell all the libs who claim that there is no right to keep and bear arms to STFU?

    many statutes that were passed for "the general welfare" were struck down on tenth amendment grounds such as the Lopez decision which dealt with federal laws preventing firearms within a certain distance of schools.



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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it proves my claim that it is measurable, objectively. Now, add. Add cost. Add benefit. Objectively. Cost of war in terms of dollors, lives, help for recruiting Al Qaeda, versus, what, a pipe dream? Fairy dust? Again, we can measure today.
    more opinions-you are pretending to know what will happen down the road.



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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if the supreme court's current opinion is all that matters than we can tell all the libs who claim that there is no right to keep and bear arms to STFU?

    many statutes that were passed for "the general welfare" were struck down on tenth amendment grounds such as the Lopez decision which dealt with federal laws preventing firearms within a certain distance of schools.
    You can tell everyone to STFU, but as you have a right to free speech, you cant really enforce it very well
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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    You can tell everyone to STFU, but as you have a right to free speech, you cant really enforce it very well
    you missed the point



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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if the supreme court's current opinion is all that matters than we can tell all the libs who claim that there is no right to keep and bear arms to STFU?
    Sure, but only if you accept the negative commerce clause, too.

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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    You are of course forgetting a few words in the Constitution


    "promote the general welfare". What could promote the general welfare more then welfare?


    Of course you will say that is not what it means, but a strict interpretation of the words, it does. Just like the right to bear arms with a strict interpretation means you should be able to posses any weapon
    If it was meant to be interpreted as a redistribution of wealth then don't you think redistribution of wealth would have been written into the Constitution? You seem to be confusing what General Welfare means. General Welfare deals with ALL people. Redistribution of wealth is taking from some and giving to others. Say we are in a room and you have two cookies. You give me one out of the kindness of your heart. The General Welfare has just gone up because both of us our happy from the exchange. Say someone comes in and FORCES you to give me a cookie though. My welfare has gone up, yours has gone down, because it was a forced action. Thus the GENERAL Welfare has staid the exact same, nothing was achieved in Scenario B, but we achieved much more in Scenario A.

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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more opinions-you are pretending to know what will happen down the road.
    Can there be speculation without speculating? Of course he doesn't know what will happen down the road. But he can make an educated guess from the information at hand.

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    Re: The Tax Tsunami On The Horizon

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    If the American people asked for this, then we are all even more screwed than I thought...


    Well we didn't ask for this, Slight of hand..... slight of hand.
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